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Old 04-21-2010, 04:21 PM   #76
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Yes, that IS an accurate description of how the US government works!
So far, I have noticed that people who commit suicides are not Americans...
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Old 04-21-2010, 04:36 PM   #77
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So far, I have noticed that people who commit suicides are not Americans...
Well, in my early life we were constantly reminded to hate the Soviet Union. After that fell, we spent years wondering who we were supposed to hate, touching on Lybia, Iraq and Japan (during their economic bubble when they buying up US property.) Now that a small but determined group of non-governmental fringe nuts managed to pull off an attack on the US, it provided us with a whole region of the world to hate! And the government (or at least, parts of it) never for a moment wants us to forget to fear, fear, fear, be afraid at every possible moment!
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Old 04-21-2010, 04:43 PM   #78
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On the bright side, another Pakistani cleric has declared jihad on suicide bombers:

Sheikh to Terrorists: Go to Hell
A Pakistani cleric declares jihad on suicide bombers. And the story is just beginning.
BY CHRISTIAN CARYL | APRIL 14, 2010

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...sts_go_to_hell


"There was a need," says Qadri, "to address this issue authentically, with full authority, with all relevant Quranic authority -- so that [the terrorists] realize that whatever they've been taught is absolutely wrong and that they're going to hellfire. They're not going to have paradise, and they're not going to have 72 virgins in heaven. They're totally on the wrong side."

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Old 04-21-2010, 04:47 PM   #79
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one of the reasons Islam is the way it is now is that it has not gone through its own reformation. that would help a lot I would imagine, but I also think it is almost impossible at this point.
With all due respect, Islam has had their Reformation, and it led to schisms and factional wars just as the Christian Reformation did.

What Islam needs is its Age of Enlightenment—Voltaire and Paine; not Luther and Calvin.
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Old 04-21-2010, 04:48 PM   #80
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Old 04-21-2010, 04:53 PM   #81
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When I read the initial quote about promiscuous women, I couldn't help but think that Jerry Falwell, (of "gays and lesbians caused 9/11" fame), had been reincarnated as a Muslim cleric.

Food for thought: Was the Icelandic earthquake cause by God punishing Iceland for their banking system? or did Thor miss a cloud with his hammer and hit a mountain?

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Old 04-21-2010, 04:54 PM   #82
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Oh, we really need to get back to promiscuous women now!...

Red is willing to put his life on the line for Iran...Send him all those promiscuous women to him. He'll do whatever he can to encourage the earthquakes to come to Texas...
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Old 04-21-2010, 04:57 PM   #83
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This discussion has stayed within the bounds of what I feel is fair play, for the most part. Disagreements have been aired, but name calling has not commenced. There are some marginal posts that seem to paint large groups of people with the same brush, but no one is rising to that particular bait. So, please continue to keep it between the signposts and we'll all get along.

Personally I am in favor of public displays of nudity. Male and female. We're all too hung up on being clothed.

Well, not in Wisconsin in the winter. You just have to cover up or loose appendages at that time...
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Old 04-21-2010, 05:01 PM   #84
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Well, in my early life we were constantly reminded to hate the Soviet Union. After that fell, we spent years wondering who we were supposed to hate, touching on Lybia, Iraq and Japan (during their economic bubble when they buying up US property.) Now that a small but determined group of non-governmental fringe nuts managed to pull off an attack on the US, it provided us with a whole region of the world to hate! And the government (or at least, parts of it) never for a moment wants us to forget to fear, fear, fear, be afraid at every possible moment!
Good point. It's always good to remember that the majority of Muslims are peace-loving and honorable by nature; same as Christians and Jews. It's the fanatics of every sect who ruin things for everybody.
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There would be no Jihad against Israel if it weren't for the perception (which I'm not arguing about the factual accuracy of, simply stating it's existence) that Israel has "stolen" land from the Palestinians and is badly mistreating them. No society sits down and says to themselves "we are the bad guys so we want to kill the good guys"-- they all think that they are right and the other guys are wrong.
It makes one wonder why the Canaanites never declared jihad against Israel; oh yeah, that's right, jihad wasn't invented until 2000 years later.

It would seem that the Israelis have a long history of "stealing" land. Do you think the British, Moroccans, French, Soviets, Dutch, Spanish, Hawaiians, Americans, and all manner of other former or current “colonist” nations might have learned something from them?

Oh yeah, I forgot about the most succesful "colonists" ever; the Mongols. As I recall, Genghis Khan didn't put up with any jihad!
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Old 04-21-2010, 05:33 PM   #86
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It makes one wonder why the Canaanites never declared jihad against Israel; oh yeah, that's right, jihad wasn't invented until 2000 years later.

It would seem that the Israelis have a long history of "stealing" land. Do you think the British, Moroccans, French, Soviets, Dutch, Spanish, Hawaiians, Americans, and all manner of other former or current “colonist” nations might have learned something from them?

Oh yeah, I forgot about the most succesful "colonists" ever; the Mongols. As I recall, Genghis Khan didn't put up with any jihad!
Given that modern Israel wasn't founded till 1948, it can't be that long a history and it seems pretty unlikely that any of the other countries you mentioned learnt anything from them. Vice versa is much more likely.

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Yes, that IS an accurate description of how the US government works!


I must ask do you live in the US? Because honestly that is such a farce.

News Media instills fear, not the Government.

The only time fear was really used as a tool was after 9/11 really to get the war started.

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I must ask do you live in the US? Because honestly that is such a farce.

News Media instills fear, not the Government.

The only time fear was really used as a tool was after 9/11 really to get the war started.
I must answer, yes. And every politician of a certain pachydermical bent constantly and to this day pounds on how the politicians of a more equine nature should not be elected because they aren't sufficiently scared and lack the desired degree of rabid anger.
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