Chariots Of the Gods? Anyone read it?

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by rock

I know there is evidence now that there was a pole shift, although it took a long time, and happened a LONG time ago

No, there wasn't. That phrase doesn't even make sense. Continents drift over millions of years. The Earth's orbital inclination precesses a bit over tens of thousands of years. The orbital inclination actually changes slightly over long periods, but is held mostly in place by the moon. The geomagnetic poles wander about on measurable scales and occasionally flip. But there has not and never will be a "pole shift."

Originally Posted by rock

I like talking about this stuff so you got anything else I can read please let me know.

Okay-- try these:

http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-.../dp/0345409469

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805070893/

[rock]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

No, there wasn't. That phrase doesn't even make sense. Continents drift over millions of years. The Earth's orbital inclination precesses a bit over tens of thousands of years. The orbital inclination actually changes slightly over long periods, but is held mostly in place by the moon. The geomagnetic poles wander about on measurable scales and occasionally flip. But there has not and never will be a "pole shift."

I am trying to remember the guys name, but he did say he had evidence there was one. It was very recent though, and stinking google is only giving me 2012 stuff. I will have to find it, because I never thought it was true either. But his evidence was pretty good and all scientific (as he didn't believe it himself). Let me do more digging.

Ok Adam Maloof, and it was in 2006.

he believes it happened 800 million years ago. he was mostly debunking this 2012 theory when doing the research.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...n-pole-shift-1

Originally Posted by ardeegee

No, there wasn't. That phrase doesn't even make sense. Continents drift over millions of years. The Earth's orbital inclination precesses a bit over tens of thousands of years. The orbital inclination actually changes slightly over long periods, but is held mostly in place by the moon. The geomagnetic poles wander about on measurable scales and occasionally flip. But there has not and never will be a "pole shift."



Okay-- try these:

http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-.../dp/0345409469

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805070893/

THe first link I love this in the description (although it says it is for an out of date publication but) "and provides a "baloney detection kit" for thinking through political, social, religious"

[rock]

sorry for this double by accident.

[ardeegee]

What he calls a "pole shift" and what I call a "pole shift" are two different things. What I call a "pole shift" is a shift in the poles. Meaning a flipping over of the axis of rotation of the planet. Continental drift (even relatively quick continental drift) doesn't shift the poles, it just shifts surface features (a very thin skin compared to the thickness of the Earth) relative to the poles.

[TGS]

Originally Posted by Hamlet53

Same with all of Carlos Castadena's stuff.

I thought Castaneda's first book was kind of interesting - as a bit of ethnomethodology and as a study of how reality is negotiated - although most of it might have been made up or "borrowed" from somewhere else. The rest though, I agree, were pretty much twaddle.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by rock

THe first link I love this in the description (although it says it is for an out of date publication but) "and provides a "baloney detection kit" for thinking through political, social, religious"

See:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16779055/T...-by-Carl-Sagan

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16779050/B...ichael-Shermer

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16779053/C...-by-James-Lett

[WillAdams]

If one starts to search for ``How were the...'' one of the first things to be suggested is, ``How were the Pyramids built''. The ``I feel lucky'' hit for that is:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0328104302.htm

Where it says, ``But the process of building pyramids, while complicated, was not as colossal an undertaking as many of us believe, Redford says. Estimates suggest that between 20,000 and 30,000 laborers were needed to build the Great Pyramid at Giza in less than 23 years. By comparison, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris took almost 200 years to complete.''

...

``When answering to skepticism about how such heavy stones could have been moved without machinery, Redford says, "I usually show the skeptic a picture of 20 of my workers at an archaeological dig site pulling up a two-and-a-half ton granite block." He added, "I know it's possible because I was on the ropes too."''

How does one get ``No one knows how the Pyramids were built.'' out of that?

William

[rock]

So this Kit, I can use it for the upcoming Stephen Hawking show?

here is the press release it debut's Sunday, but they say he talks about Aliens being real and other things.

http://press.discovery.com/us/dsc/pr...ephen-hawking/

Cheap tatics for Ratings?

[rock]

Originally Posted by WillAdams

If one starts to search for ``How were the...'' one of the first things to be suggested is, ``How were the Pyramids built''. The ``I feel lucky'' hit for that is:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0328104302.htm

Where it says, ``But the process of building pyramids, while complicated, was not as colossal an undertaking as many of us believe, Redford says. Estimates suggest that between 20,000 and 30,000 laborers were needed to build the Great Pyramid at Giza in less than 23 years. By comparison, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris took almost 200 years to complete.''

...

``When answering to skepticism about how such heavy stones could have been moved without machinery, Redford says, "I usually show the skeptic a picture of 20 of my workers at an archaeological dig site pulling up a two-and-a-half ton granite block." He added, "I know it's possible because I was on the ropes too."''

How does one get ``No one knows how the Pyramids were built.'' out of that?

William

Did you see the link I posted? He suggested 6,700 laborers.

Like I said there are theories, what I meant no one knows for sure how they did it.

There is the method of transfering the stones, and other methods. Are we to assume all the materials were just sitting there?

Also I am not saying Aliens helped them it is still an amazing feat they did.

http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-...t-pyramid.html

[WillAdams]

No, archeology has found the quarries where the limestone and other materials were dug --- that's why one needs the larger number of people, to excavate, shape and move the materials. The link I posted specifically noted that people could move the blocks, so it's just extra effort to transport them from one site to another, so how can you attempt to insinuate that transport was an insurmountable obstacle?

William

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by WillAdams

If one starts to search for ``How were the...'' one of the first things to be suggested is, ``How were the Pyramids built''. The ``I feel lucky'' hit for that is:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0328104302.htm

Where it says, ``But the process of building pyramids, while complicated, was not as colossal an undertaking as many of us believe, Redford says. Estimates suggest that between 20,000 and 30,000 laborers were needed to build the Great Pyramid at Giza in less than 23 years. By comparison, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris took almost 200 years to complete.''

...

``When answering to skepticism about how such heavy stones could have been moved without machinery, Redford says, "I usually show the skeptic a picture of 20 of my workers at an archaeological dig site pulling up a two-and-a-half ton granite block." He added, "I know it's possible because I was on the ropes too."''

How does one get ``No one knows how the Pyramids were built.'' out of that?

William

Redford was a professor of mine in college. He was a cool dude, and also one of the top in his field.

[rock]

Originally Posted by WillAdams

No, archeology has found the quarries where the limestone and other materials were dug --- that's why one needs the larger number of people, to excavate, shape and move the materials. The link I posted specifically noted that people could move the blocks, so it's just extra effort to transport them from one site to another, so how can you attempt to insinuate that transport was an insurmountable obstacle?

William

I think you are getting me wrong here. I am just saying it was an amazing feat, and I would love to see how they actually did it, instead of all the theories there are. There is a pulley system theory, a contractor here in the states said he could do it himself just using logs. The site I posted gives the theory how they transported it from the nile etc.

I just want to see how they did it, and how they did it in just 22-23 years. That is seriously amazing. I am not saying it was impossible, because obviously they are built, I just wish we could witness it you know. I just want to see it.

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by rock

I think you are getting me wrong here. I am just saying it was an amazing feat, and I would love to see how they actually did it, instead of all the theories there are. There is a pulley system theory, a contractor here in the states said he could do it himself just using logs. The site I posted gives the theory how they transported it from the nile etc.

I just want to see how they did it, and how they did it in just 22-23 years. That is seriously amazing. I am not saying it was impossible, because obviously they are built, I just wish we could witness it you know. I just want to see it.

They had lots of money and a huge force of cheap manpower. With that, almost anything is possible.

[rock]

Originally Posted by lilac_jive

They had lots of money and a huge force of cheap manpower. With that, almost anything is possible.

Understand that, but tell me you wouldn't love to be able to watch them being built from like an observation deck though?

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by rock

Understand that, but tell me you wouldn't love to be able to watch them being built from like an observation deck though?

Maybe for a few minutes