Boston Herald Bashes iPad

[dmaul1114]

Now that I agree. At $300 I'd own one just for use as a pure media consumption device--e-books, net surfing, some video watching etc. At $500 I can't quite justify it, at that price it needs to be more than a toy, and be something that can make my research work easier etc. and it's not quite there on that front.

Outstanding media consumption tablet, I just can't shell out $500 for that though.

[scottjl]

hate to say it but if you look at apple's pricing history they tend not to drop prices on their products. what they will do is establish a price point and then improve the product when they refresh it. faster cpu, more memory, increased graphics and storage, but same price tag. the 2g iphone drop was a rare occurrence.

i expect next year's ipad model to have the same prices, just more memory, a forward facing camera, faster cpu. don't hope for internal SD slot or a lower price.

[dmaul1114]

Oh I agree. I suspect the only price change with the 2nd gen will be the 16 GB model will probably go away and the 32 GB is $500.

So for me to buy, they'll have to address the issues I have with it. That's more important to me than price. If they fix my issues, I'll pay $500 for one.

For instance, I never bought iPods as they cost more and lacked FM tuners which I needed. They finally added an FM tuner in the 5th gen Nano, and I finally bought one for $134 from Best Buy a couple months when I needed a new flash based player for the gym etc. I could have got something cheaper, but once they added FM I was willing to pay a bit more for the form factor, ease of synching pod casts etc. Hopefully the iPod will add some of the stuff I need, as I do doubt other companies will match the form factor, responsivity, battery life etc in the near future.

If they don't fix the problems I have, I'll wait until something comes out that fits my needs at the same or lower price. I'm very patient on tablets as they're something I have an interest in, but not a "must have it now" device that tempts me to early adopt and work around shortcomings in early models.

[richman]

Yeah, the 2nd generation 8 gig itouch was around 229 on amazon and the 3rd generation is now at 179. That is about a 25 percent drop. Now when a NEW device comes out , 360, PS3, Wii, it stays high for first year then depending on competition it drops and by 3 or 4th year drops by 50 percent or more.
This device would be a lot like the first generation IPHONE and it dropped fast after a month or so. So I'm saying that "if the 16 gig IPAD was 299 I would pick it up, at 399 , given the way it is today NO. If it was more OPEN and had some of the features others were talking about , yeah, I would pick it up for 399 for the 16 gig version. But the stock 16 gig first gen , no more than 299 for me.

p.s Once it's sold on Amazon and there are 2,000 or 3,000 reviews and 80-90 percent of the people are raving about it and saying how they can do this and that and the other thing. Well, the price goes up for me. I only know a few people that own it, Scott being one of those people and he loves his. I know I buy other stuff on amazon that tons of people like, and generally feel good about purchase.

p.s.s. One other thing, this is NEW device and over the next year I'm sure Apple will be making very slight changes in hardware tweaking it , maybe making the wifi stronger and making the components better. I remember the xbox 360 and the problems it had. So it could be something that apple does quietly and silently until they iron out any hardware bugs, software bugs they can work on NO problems, out in the OPEN.

[scottjl]

Originally Posted by Sonist

Scottjl, there is a very good chance that Apple has received considerably more of my money in exchange for their products, than from most on this forum.

so? does that prove anything? i've been buying apple products since the 70's and spent into six figures. i own stock in apple (and dell, and ibm, and hp, and microsoft and a number of other companies) doesn't make me any better than anyone else on this forum, none of us roses petals and gold bars.

As to "helping," you did not provide answers, you only made excuses and extolled the virtues of iTunes and iPhoto.

well. you inaccurately implied you can't import non-apple content. i pointed out that you can. you inaccurately stated there were no non-apple ways to import or export content. i pointed out how you can go about that too. i think those were valid answers to your questions. and if you read my post here i have plenty of problems with itunes.

I merely pointed out that both have serious shortcomings, when compared with other methods of content management.

you see them as shortcomings. others do not. if you don't like the available options, do something about it and write your own software. complaining doesn't solve problems.

I like many things about Apple, but do not like the direction they are pushing with the i-ecosystem.

yes. you've said this many times. as i pointed said previously, vote with your wallet, stop buying apple products. email steven jobs and voice your displeasure. buy stock in apple and vote with your shares.

If you really have an answer relating to how to import non-DRM content from two or more computers onto the same i-device with updated OS, please tell, and I'll happily say "thank you."

jail break your 3.1.3 devices. load up your media files into the file structure. use MPlayer or vlc4iphone (available via Cydia) to play your mp3 files. you're welcome.

P.S. You did notice that the title of the thread where we are currently debating is "Boston Herald Bashes iPad," right?

yes. did you? maybe you should take your DRM/iTunes/iPhoto complaints to another thread, or better yet, another forum.

i'm done with this thread.

[richman]

LOL!
See you in the NEXT thread!
Have a nice night Scott!

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by richman

p.s.s. One other thing, this is NEW device and over the next year I'm sure Apple will be making very slight changes in hardware tweaking it , maybe making the wifi stronger and making the components better. I remember the xbox 360 and the problems it had. So it could be something that apple does quietly and silently until they iron out any hardware bugs, software bugs they can work on NO problems, out in the OPEN.

Yep, that's why I doubt I'll by any companies first gen tablets.

Discounting tablet PCs and pricey slates, this is really a new category of device, so I'd rather wait a bit and not early adopt and have to work around the shortcomings and bugs.

[Sonist]

Originally Posted by scottjl

... if you don't like the available options, do something about it and write your own software. complaining doesn't solve problems.....

jail break your 3.1.3 devices. ....

Wow, scottjl!

First, you did NOT present a solution to importing media into the iPhone/iPad. Instead, you pointed to apps which can mount the iPhone. Which is not very useful, because even if you mount the iPhone, you CANNOT drag and drop media like mp3s so that the iPhone can see it, because of Apple's purposefully screwy file structure scheme.

Second, you CANNOT jailbreak the 3G S iPhones with OS 3.1.3, just like you cannot jaibreak the iPad. Hopefully 4.0 will be jailbroken when it becomes final.

Third, could you refrain from requesting that I find another forum, or accusing me of "hating" iTunes, or Apple and its products?

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by Sonist

just like you cannot jaibreak the iPad.

Is that true? There have been various videos of jail broken iPads running other OS etc.

[scottjl]

Originally Posted by Sonist

Wow, scottjl!

First, you did NOT present a solution to importing media into the iPhone/iPad. Instead, you pointed to apps which can mount the iPhone. Which is not very useful, because even if you mount the iPhone, you CANNOT drag and drop media like mp3s so that the iPhone can see it, because of Apple's purposefully screwy file structure scheme.

last time i'll mention this. you [b]can[/i] drag and drop your media files into itunes and load them onto your iDevice just fine. you just don't want to use itunes.

Second, you CANNOT jailbreak the 3G S iPhones with OS 3.1.3, just like you cannot jaibreak the iPad. Hopefully 4.0 will be jailbroken when it becomes final.

correct. the iPad (3.2) can not be jailbroken at this time. but 3.1.3 can be broken if you have a shsh file.

Third, could you refrain from requesting that I find another forum, or accusing me of "hating" iTunes, or Apple and its products?

well you certainly have a strange way of showing love..

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by scottjl

last time i'll mention this. you [b]can[/i] drag and drop your media files into itunes and load them onto your iDevice just fine. you just don't want to use itunes.

You can drag and drop INTO iTunes? I thought you could only use the File menue to add files or folders to iTunes?

Then you can drag and drop them onto your iDevice? I do that with my Nano, all my mp3s I import into iTunes--either use the search feature or the add file/folder option--then I can drag and drop them onto my Nano.

I've never seen a way to drag files into the iTunes library though, so if you can, more info would be great!

[Sonist]

Originally Posted by scottjl

last time i'll mention this. you [b]can[/i] drag and drop your media files into itunes and load them onto your iDevice just fine. you just don't want to use itunes..

What part of "unauthorized" computer is unclear here? Most of us have more than one computer, you know....

Originally Posted by scottjl

correct. the iPad (3.2) can not be jailbroken at this time. but 3.1.3 can be broken if you have a shsh file..

yeah, or if Apple allowed it.... The fact is, you cannot jailbreak an iPhone 3G S with 3.1.3.

[Sonist]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

You can drag and drop INTO iTunes?....

music files you can.

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by Sonist

music files you can.

Good to know, will have to try that sometime as I'd prefer that to navigating the add file/folder menu.

[scottjl]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

You can drag and drop INTO iTunes? I thought you could only use the File menue to add files or folders to iTunes?

i hate to tell you. you've been able to drag and drop into itunes since it was SoundJam. and any supported media type, not just music files. epubs. videos.

Then you can drag and drop them onto your iDevice? I do that with my Nano, all my mp3s I import into iTunes--either use the search feature or the add file/folder option--then I can drag and drop them onto my Nano.

I've never seen a way to drag files into the iTunes library though, so if you can, more info would be great!

just gather up the files in windows explorer or the finder, drag and drop into your library. poof they're all there. even easier, just drag and drop a folder.

note, this doesn't work for photos. you have to use the method i mentioned in a previous posting.

as i said. keep multiple playlists for each device of mine. one for music. one for audio books. one for video content. then i just add and remove content as i feel like mixing up my files. gives me finer control than the options available in the tabs.

you can not drag and drop from the finder/explorer into the device icon in itunes. it has to go into the itunes library first. you do not have to copy them into itunes if you leave that previously mention option off. itunes will leave them in their original location and only make a reference to them (you won't have duplicate files on your hard drive).