iPad vs Sony Reader

[volwrath]

Originally Posted by scottjl

the hardware is "overpriced" if you aren't willing to pay what apple is asking for it. apparently to 450,000 people it is priced at what they are willing to pay and for some of us the price isn't a concern.

for those who consider it overpriced, what are you expecting apple to price it at? $100? $19.95? do you think other companies are going to price their devices more "fairly"? newsflash all corporations are out to make a buck.

i told you what I thought it should be ... $399. I bought the thing at $550, so I can freakin say its overpriced if I want to. Who said $AAPL$ couldnt sell it for whatever they want? That freemarket economy. Just because I paid the extortion money doesnt mean its not overpriced.

Its a nice piece of hardware, and I love the instant-on and the battery life, but that doesnt mean I have to be an apple fanboy and I certainly can voice my disapproval over their closed ecosystem, and their intentional leaving off of features to entice an upgrade every year

[scottjl]

Let this "fanboy" help you out a bit...

Companies pricing things for more than they cost to produce so they can make a profit, that's called capitalism. I recommend an economics course or book to help educate you. If people are willing to pay the price, Apple is willing to take your money.

Paying a price and then calling it "overpriced" well that's just whining. You knew what the cost was up front, so don't complain about it, makes you look foolish. You certainly could have waited until the price dropped, apparently you had to have it now.

FYI: you have time to take it back, you'll only pay the restocking fee.

[Tamara]

Originally Posted by kennyc

I do hate the way they do business. They've screwed the pooch as far as ebooks go and their hardware is nothing special, they sell sizzle to those willing to lap it up.

You can certainly get more for the same money from other vendors.

You can guess anything you want, but leave the personal name calling out of it.

It seems like you're the one doing the insulting and name calling or did I strike a nerve? I honestly think you're in this forum just to be a troll and then cry that people are name calling like you're the injured party. You remind me of the Flash lovers who go to iPhone forums strictly to bash the iPhone and people who like living in a flash free world.

[scottjl]

Originally Posted by Tamara

It seems like you're the one doing the insulting and name calling or did I strike a nerve? I honestly think you're in this forum just to be a troll and then cry that people are name calling like you're the injured party. You remind me of the Flash lovers who go to iPhone forums strictly to bash the iPhone and people who like living in a flash free world.

you're absolutely right tamara.. there is an infestation of trolls on this forum who do nothing but go from message forum to message forum stirring up trouble and then crying when someone calls them on it. if you look at a person's personal profile on here you can see their posting history, and if you read a few messages it is pretty easy to see what they're really about. i can only guess they are just unhappy individuals in life and just want to spread their misery as far and wide as they can because they have nothing constructive to do with their lives. as many have pointed out, this should be a forum for people who own, or want to buy, apple devices to be used as ereaders where they can engage in positive discussion. there is no reason to repeatedly post negative opinions about a device or a company. it adds nothing constructive to discussion and pretty much flags people and their agendas.

why the administration on here puts up with this is beyond me, i don't see this type of behavior on other web forums that i'm on.

[Lotus Esprit]

I saw the Best Buy Ad today. They are pushing the Sony as a 3G reader with a built in dictionary. It is $100.00 cheaper than the entry level iPad. If Apple can come out with an iPad Mini for $400.00 they could crush everyone.

Provided the wireless works ofcourse!

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by scottjl

for those who consider it overpriced, what are you expecting apple to price it at? $100? $19.95? do you think other companies are going to price their devices more "fairly"? newsflash all corporations are out to make a buck.

I do think it's a tad overpriced. I'd say $100 or so more than what I'd pay. If the 32GB wsa $500 I may jump on one. But for $600 with the limitations that bug me--annoying to get files on it and accessible to all relevant apps (all PDF readers etc.), no flash (not as big a deal as I thought, but still keeps some sites I use from working), screen an inch or so smaller than my ideal etc. I'll wait for at least the 2nd gen.

Based on past experience with apple, I imagine with the 2nd gen they'll just scrap the 16GB model and sell a 32GB for $500, so I'll probably jump then if there's not an Android tablet or something I like more by then. Can just play around with my girlfriend's iPad in the meantime!

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by Lotus Esprit

I saw the Best Buy Ad today. They are pushing the Sony as a 3G reader with a built in dictionary. It is $100.00 cheaper than the entry level iPad. If Apple can come out with an iPad Mini for $400.00 they could crush everyone.

Provided the wireless works ofcourse!

There are rumors of a 7" iPad model coming in early 2011. Not for me, but I agree it would appeal to a lot of folks.

[Mr. Goodbar]

Hopefully all the bashing will subside as the newness wear's off. I've been on Mobileread for quite awhile and the Apple forum is by far, more aggressive and full of complainers than the other forum's. I hope it settles down and resumes the productive debate that charaterizes the other forums on Mobileread.

As for the iPad, I've had mine for a few days and have been pretty impressed. There is certainly nothing else like it yet on the market. It's not perfect, but it's a pretty solid first effort. I never thought i would consider replacing an e-ink device with an LCD, but the iPad has me leaning in that direction and I've been using e-ink devicess since they first hit the market.

[Tamara]

Originally Posted by Lotus Esprit

I saw the Best Buy Ad today. They are pushing the Sony as a 3G reader with a built in dictionary. It is $100.00 cheaper than the entry level iPad. If Apple can come out with an iPad Mini for $400.00 they could crush everyone.

Provided the wireless works ofcourse!

For $100 more, you get a larger color screen, web, email, photo and access to 150,000 apps ranging from streaming Netflix to the weather, etc. By comparison, Sony's Daily Edition seems kind of pricey for a device that can only do one thing. The Kindle DX has the same size screen as the iPad and can also do simple web browsing for a comparable price to the iPad.

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by Mr. Goodbar

Hopefully all the bashing will subside as the newness wear's off. I've been on Mobileread for quite awhile and the Apple forum is by far, more aggressive and full of complainers than the other forum's. I hope it settles down and resumes the productive debate that charaterizes the other forums on Mobileread.

Lets hope so!

I really don't think the device specific forums should be so full of debate and arguments.

They should be place for owners to discuss their devices, and for people thinking of buying one to come and learn about them from people who own them IMO. Pros and cons are welcome, but in a friendly and constructive manner, and free of bias from people that just don't like the device and/or company that makes it.

All the debates, arguments, dislike of the company that makes them etc. should be in the General Discussions forum IMO.

[Mr. Goodbar]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Lets hope so!

I really don't think the device specific forums should be so full of debate and arguments.

They should be place for owners to discuss their devices, and for people thinking of buying one to come and learn about them from people who own them IMO. Pros and cons are welcome, but in a friendly and constructive manner, and free of bias from people that just don't like the device and/or company that makes it.

All the debates, arguments, dislike of the company that makes them etc. should be in the General Discussions forum IMO.

Fully agree, if somebody doesn't like it.....fine, but don't bash those who do.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by Tamara

For $100 more, you get a larger color screen, web, email, photo and access to 150,000 apps ranging from streaming Netflix to the weather, etc. By comparison, Sony's Daily Edition seems kind of pricey for a device that can only do one thing. The Kindle DX has the same size screen as the iPad and can also do simple web browsing for a comparable price to the iPad.

It goes both ways. People constantly say you can buy a laptop for the price of an iPad. I'll be in the market for an iPad at the end of the year if nothing else is available for PDFs. I have no thoughts of selling my Sony 900, as it fills a particular need nothing else can.

[Mr. Goodbar]

[QUOTE=Tamara;867296]For $100 more, you get a larger color screen, web, email, photo and access to 150,000 apps ranging from streaming Netflix to the weather, etc. By comparison, Sony's Daily Edition seems kind of pricey for a device that can only do one thing. The Kindle DX has the same size screen as the iPad and can also do simple web browsing for a comparable price to the iPad.[/QUOTE

The pricing debate confuses me as well. Comparing this to the larger ereaders and it looks pretty darn good considering what you get. And the battery life they've managed to squeeze out of it diminishes that benefit of e-ink. E-ink still has better battery life, but not enough at this point to rule out the iPad as a viable contender. I would still like to see some improvement in the reading applications for things like adjustable margins, better PDF support, background and text color configuration, etc., but I'm sure those will come in time.

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by SCION

It goes both ways. People constantly say you can buy a laptop for the price of an iPad.

Yep, which is why we have a wide array of devices so everyone can find what they need.

People who read a TON and love e-ink for the screen and battery life can buy a reader.

People who want a tablet that can do video, internet and all kinds of stuff as well as read can by an iPad or one of the other tablets that will roll out in the near future.

People who want to do all that but have full computing abilities, a keyboard etc. can get a laptop (or netbook if they want something smaller and don't need the processing power of a full laptop).

Different strokes for different folks, and it's great that we have so many choices!

That's why I hate all the bickering, arguing etc. Who cares what type of gadget someone else prefers? Use what you like and let others do the same. Few things make people look more pathetic than holding hatred towards gadgets, the companies who make them and getting online and bashing them and the people who use then. Seriously, those people need to find something more constructive to do with their time!

[volwrath]

Originally Posted by scottjl

Let this "fanboy" help you out a bit...

Companies pricing things for more than they cost to produce so they can make a profit, that's called capitalism. I recommend an economics course or book to help educate you.

Actually it is called Revenue. Maybe you need an economics course?? Oh and I never called you a fanboy or really said anything critical to you.

Originally Posted by scottjl

Paying a price and then calling it "overpriced" well that's just whining. You knew what the cost was up front, so don't complain about it, makes you look foolish. You certainly could have waited until the price dropped, apparently you had to have it now.

FYI: you have time to take it back, you'll only pay the restocking fee.

OK, I am whining that is fine. Are you saying that since I paid it I shouldnt whine? What kind of logic is that? So when my transmission falls out and VW wants $5000 for it, I shouldnt whine, since Ill pay it? In once sentence you espouse capitalism, in the next you are all for censorship on a public forum. I detect a double standard.

And I have until April 24 to take it back, so Im definitely going to put it through its paces first. Besides costs aside, its a great device now and will be a better device once jailbroken.