Books removed from fictionwise? - Page 9

langshipley · 04-08-2010, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea

I had about 40 books in my wishlist, today there were 5...

I had about 150 books in there. I've had some of them in there for ages. I don't think I could even remember half of what was in there. Hopefully, they will put the list back in there when all this hubbub dies down and the books are back for sale.

langshipley · 04-08-2010, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by suecsi

Well at least I can currently re-download everything from Fictionwise, regardless of publisher. I thought I'd double check I have everything downloaded and backed up and good job I have (apart from one book).

I had most of my books downloaded to my iPhone but not to my PC. Now I'm going through the arduous task of downloading them all to my PC so that I do not lose anything. *sigh* At least I am still able to download what is in my bookshelf.

Graham · 04-08-2010, 04:50 AM

The main problem for most customers of Fictionwise who may not be aware of the ways to strip DRM, or who would prefer not to break the law, is that at present they cannot redownload books with secure Mobipocket DRM, which would prevent them from moving their books to a new device.

Graham

langshipley · 04-08-2010, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Graham

The main problem for most customers of Fictionwise who may not be aware of the ways to strip DRM

How does one go about stripping DRM?

Most of my books are eReader pdb format books.

Graham · 04-08-2010, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by langshipley

How does one go about stripping DRM?

Most of my books are eReader pdb format books.

It would be inappropriate to publish that on these forums. Someone wishing to investigate this would probably do a search on "stripping ereader DRM".

However, eReader DRM is not so bad as the purchaser only needs the original credit card number to use the book on a new device that also supports eReader. With Mobipocket you are forced to download the books again after entering the new device ID on every store you used previously.

Graham

momghoti · 04-08-2010, 05:30 AM

I'm disturbed about the people who purchased books, but didn't download them, before the books were yanked....isn't that illegal? I know they keep a record of when/if a title is downloaded...if you purchased it, and didn't 'take possession'(download), surely they have to either make it available to you or refund your money? I'd definitely send some emails.... Also, did I understand correctly that some people can't access DRM books they've already downloaded?

About deDRMing...best I can recommend is--google is your friend, and there are a number of threads that explain how to go about it for the various formats. Use the Search, Luke...er...yeah

. Not having to worry overmuch about the format of an ebook before purchasing it is very liberating! Plus not having to worry that formats won't be supported down the road....

The only downside of the ereader drm is keeping track of outdated credit card numbers; I'd imagine it would build up after a while...

langshipley · 04-08-2010, 05:43 AM

Thanks Graham and momghoti, you've been very helpful.

pdurrant · 04-08-2010, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by calvin-c

Not even close unless you define market as 'books only available by purchase'. If it's simply 'books available' which is how I would define it, then Project Gutenberg outclasses it by at couple of orders of magnitude, I think. (IIRC 2 orders of magnitude is 100X?)

I think you have your numbers the wrong way around. Project Gutenberg has just under 32,000 titles available. Just over 100,000 are available through its "Partners, Affiliates and Resources".

Amazon currently has over 480,000 ebooks available.

Even Fictionwise, with its greatly depleted stock thanks to the current fuss with the agency model, has over 45,000 titles.

langshipley · 04-08-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

I think you have your numbers the wrong way around. Project Gutenberg has just under 32,000 titles available. Just over 100,000 are available through its "Partners, Affiliates and Resources".

Amazon currently has over 480,000 ebooks available.

Even Fictionwise, with its greatly depleted stock thanks to the current fuss with the agency model, has over 45,000 titles.

I was wondering about those stats. Thanks for sharing.

langshipley · 04-08-2010, 08:18 AM

Just did a check through Fictionwise and ALL of my husband's favorite authors are gone!!!

pilotbob · 04-08-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by momghoti

I'm disturbed about the people who purchased books, but didn't download them, before the books were yanked....isn't that illegal?

No, FW states that your ebook will be available for a certain amount of time after you buy it... and they will make best efforts to retain it beyond that time (I think they say 3-5 days.)

BOb

Graham · 04-08-2010, 11:34 AM

From the Fictiowise FAQ on "Expiring Downloads":

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Because we own the eReader format, and because we serve all MultiFormat files ourselves, we can ensure continued availability of these purchased formats indefinitely. We cannot absolutely guarantee future availability of files delivered through third party aggregators, which currently includes all Secure Microsoft Reader, Secure Mobipocket, and Secure Adobe Digital Editions eBooks. This is why we strongly recommend MultiFormat and Secure eReader formats above other choices.

Graham

Graham · 04-08-2010, 11:36 AM

And from the Fictionwise Terms of Use:

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9. Ebooks. After purchasing any downloadable eBook or product from Fictionwise.com, it is the Fictionwise Member's responsibility to download the eBook or product within 1 hour of purchase. If you believe an error has been made in the purchase, please do not download the eBook (you must contact us explaining the error at support@fictionwise.com). Once you download the eBook, then it is impossible for us to refund you for it. Please note: Because of the constantly evolving nature of the eBook industry and eBook formats, we do not guarantee that eBooks you purchase from Fictionwise will always be available in the formats that we "currently" support. That is why it is important that you download the eBook in the format of your choice immediately after purchasing.

Fictionwise, however, will make efforts to keep the product listed and available for download in the Fictionwise member's "Bookshelf" for one week, and longer when possible -- but this is not guaranteed.

Graham

Graham · 04-08-2010, 11:38 AM

Clearly, though, if you've not downloaded the book you've paid for, and it is no longer available, then you should be refunded for it, and I very much doubt that Fictionwise would fail to do this for you.

Graham

TallMomof2 · 04-08-2010, 12:01 PM

The one book I hadn't downloaded was a preorder that became available either last week or the week before. I'd been sick and then busy catching up with responsibilities and forgot to download the book. Right now I'm taking a wait and see approach. Hopefully, in the near future my book will be available to download.

04-08-2010, 05:30 AM	#126
momghoti Zealot Posts: 121 Karma: 1000021 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hook, UK Device: Cybook Bookeen	I'm disturbed about the people who purchased books, but didn't download them, before the books were yanked....isn't that illegal? I know they keep a record of when/if a title is downloaded...if you purchased it, and didn't 'take possession'(download), surely they have to either make it available to you or refund your money? I'd definitely send some emails.... Also, did I understand correctly that some people can't access DRM books they've already downloaded? About deDRMing...best I can recommend is--google is your friend, and there are a number of threads that explain how to go about it for the various formats. Use the Search, Luke...er...yeah. Not having to worry overmuch about the format of an ebook before purchasing it is very liberating! Plus not having to worry that formats won't be supported down the road.... The only downside of the ereader drm is keeping track of outdated credit card numbers; I'd imagine it would build up after a while... Last edited by momghoti; 04-08-2010 at 05:32 AM.

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04-08-2010, 04:50 AM	#123
Graham Wizard Posts: 2,742 Karma: 32912427 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Device: Kobo H20, Pixel 2, Samsung Chromebook Plus	The main problem for most customers of Fictionwise who may not be aware of the ways to strip DRM, or who would prefer not to break the law, is that at present they cannot redownload books with secure Mobipocket DRM, which would prevent them from moving their books to a new device. Graham

04-08-2010, 05:43 AM	#127
langshipley Connoisseur Posts: 62 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Paperwhite 2, iOS Kindle app	Thanks Graham and momghoti, you've been very helpful.

04-08-2010, 08:18 AM	#130
langshipley Connoisseur Posts: 62 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Paperwhite 2, iOS Kindle app	Just did a check through Fictionwise and ALL of my husband's favorite authors are gone!!!

04-08-2010, 11:38 AM	#134
Graham Wizard Posts: 2,742 Karma: 32912427 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Device: Kobo H20, Pixel 2, Samsung Chromebook Plus	Clearly, though, if you've not downloaded the book you've paid for, and it is no longer available, then you should be refunded for it, and I very much doubt that Fictionwise would fail to do this for you. Graham

04-08-2010, 12:01 PM	#135
TallMomof2 Kindlephilia Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count	The one book I hadn't downloaded was a preorder that became available either last week or the week before. I'd been sick and then busy catching up with responsibilities and forgot to download the book. Right now I'm taking a wait and see approach. Hopefully, in the near future my book will be available to download.