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Old 04-05-2010, 03:08 PM   #76
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For various reasons most of the books on my bookshelf are from Simon & Schuster...I can now download a grand total of 1 of them. My hard disk crashed about a month ago so I don't even have those books saved on my computer! So that's it? I just lost $100 work of books and I can't get them back?
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:11 PM   #77
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Fictionwise is also more expensive than Kobo. But Kindle is cheaper than both, and Sony seems to be matching the Kindle prices. So clearly, it is not 'everyone uses the same price' as they said it would be.
Ignoring Kobo, since that seems to be a currency issue, what agency titles are at Fictionwise that are more expensive than at other retailers?
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:51 PM   #78
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Fictionwise is also more expensive than Kobo. But Kindle is cheaper than both, and Sony seems to be matching the Kindle prices. So clearly, it is not 'everyone uses the same price' as they said it would be.
It's possible that only Apple and Amazon had the clout to insist on contracts that said "nobody can have lower prices than ours." Without that, the publishers are free to insist on higher prices at some stores than others.

I don't think that runs into any legal problems; with retail it wouldn't, but with an agency setup, it's entirely unclear if it runs into weird consumer-protection pricing laws. (I still think the "nobody sells it lower than us" phrasing needs to be run past lawyers who understand pricefixing legalities; it certainly seems like either publishers or retailers are trying to establish an industry-wide minimum price.)
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:57 PM   #79
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Given the fact that FW is now selling identical titles such as the Grisham novels at twice the price of BN, I fear that BN is using the Agency Pricing model as the opportunity to destroy FW.
Grisham's novels are published by Random House which is not a part of this Agency model change. Please keep your FUD to yourself.
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Compare the price on FW with the price on BN. For those titles on both sites the FW are all more expensive than BN. Why would you pay more?
FW has a 35% Micropay rebate and 5% Secure ereader rebate, making the net price $7.20 for each book. BN.com net prices range from $8.91 to $9.99 as their discounts are less (20 - 25%). I know the FW rebates are a little awkward to manage and the benefit can only be achieved buying in small batches then applying the rebates to the next batch... but what the heck, I can spare a few extra minutes to do it.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:48 PM   #81
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For various reasons most of the books on my bookshelf are from Simon & Schuster...I can now download a grand total of 1 of them. My hard disk crashed about a month ago so I don't even have those books saved on my computer! So that's it? I just lost $100 work of books and I can't get them back?
I didn't download all my new purchases at the end of March, and now there are about half-a-dozen books I can't download at all. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that the books will eventually come back - even if they're at the higher prices, so I can download them.

It feels too soon to know how this will all fall out (even though my tendency is to think it will probably fall out badly!)
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:55 AM   #82
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I didn't download all my new purchases at the end of March, and now there are about half-a-dozen books I can't download at all. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that the books will eventually come back - even if they're at the higher prices, so I can download them.

It feels too soon to know how this will all fall out (even though my tendency is to think it will probably fall out badly!)
Yeah but the way it's looking I'm going to just use of the credit I have, download all my books when I can, and quit Fictionwise.

I was looking to get Robert Conroy's "Red Inferno", it's $9.75 on B&N and $18.95! on Fictionwise. Doesn't even have a rebate. Thing is, I can't even download from B&N cause I don't know what format I would get the book in. (I still have a PRS-500 and I need to be able to...uh...convert the ebook and I only know how to do that with .pdb formatted books)
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Old 04-06-2010, 02:43 AM   #83
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Thing is, I can't even download from B&N cause I don't know what format I would get the book in.
If you download via a web browser you currently always get the eReader version. If I am wrong and you get the ePub, see Barnes & Noble DRM for EPUB circumvented. The point and click ignobleepub.pyw is definitely simpler to use that ereader2html.py. If you want to check it out, the Windows B&N app will usually download the ePub version if there is one. So currently you can usually get both formats (eReader via a browser, ePub via the Windows app).
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I was looking to get Robert Conroy's "Red Inferno", it's $9.75 on B&N and $18.95! on Fictionwise.
There does seem to be something odd going on, as "Red Inferno" is a Random House title and thus shouldn't be affected by the agency pricing.

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Yeah but the way it's looking I'm going to just use of the credit I have, download all my books when I can, and quit Fictionwise.
This. Of the three books Fictionwise has deigned to leave on my wish list, all of them are available at Kobo and Sony, cheaper.
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Yeah but the way it's looking I'm going to just use of the credit I have, download all my books when I can, and quit Fictionwise.
Done that... I believe I have $1,50 in micropay left... I'll check it once in a while, to see if there are some nice multiformat books.
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The thing is, its looking like my Sony reader and Cybook are about to become expensive pieces of junk (basically), I go looking for a book and FictionWise no longer sell it, Amazon probably has it but its restricted to US customers only, Waterstones and WHSmiths dont sell it at all, this is happening 9 times out of 10 for me, all that's really happening is that authors are going to loose a lot of money from me because the industry is putting these ridiculous restrictions on everything! Way to loose money...

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Ignoring Kobo, since that seems to be a currency issue, what agency titles are at Fictionwise that are more expensive than at other retailers?
I noticed last week that John Maddox Roberts' SPQR series was much cheaper ($9.99) and more titles were represented at B&N than at FW, which is weird considering B&N owns FW. They are published by St. Martin's Press. I don't know whether that's a subsidiary of an agency publisher, but when I went to recheck the FW price just now I found they've mysteriously disappeared. Still at B&N though - perhaps I'd better buy the remainig books quickly...
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I noticed last week that John Maddox Roberts' SPQR series was much cheaper ($9.99) and more titles were represented at B&N than at FW, which is weird considering B&N owns FW. They are published by St. Martin's Press. I don't know whether that's a subsidiary of an agency publisher, but when I went to recheck the FW price just now I found they've mysteriously disappeared. Still at B&N though - perhaps I'd better buy the remainig books quickly...
Get them from Sony at $9.99 each in ePub.
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If you download via a web browser you currently always get the eReader version. If I am wrong and you get the ePub, see Barnes & Noble DRM for EPUB circumvented. The point and click ignobleepub.pyw is definitely simpler to use that ereader2html.py. If you want to check it out, the Windows B&N app will usually download the ePub version if there is one. So currently you can usually get both formats (eReader via a browser, ePub via the Windows app).
Thanks, that was pretty easy to set up!
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