Reader on the airplain - is it electronic device or not;) - Page 5

astra · 07-31-2007, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCCISProf

FWIW - I flew on El AL Airlines this week to Israel, and used the Reader even during takeoff and landing, and no one said anything.

I thought they would be the last to allow it

Bob Russell · 07-31-2007, 01:49 PM

A few thoughts...

* If I was an airline I'd be looking for the simplest rule possible. This is about as simple as it can get - "If it has an OFF switch, then turn it off." And I think it works pretty well.

* I hate not being able to read on takeoff. The whole time period between boarding and getting well into the air is prime reading time for me before I get drowsy.

* I don't want people to use phones on planes anyway. It would be worse than sitting next to a bunch of little kids on long flights. Btw, someone proposed the other day that Disney sponsor a kids section on flights with all kinds of decorations and even ads maybe. It would be nice to have adult and family areas in planes, both for adults traveling without kids and for parents with kids!

* I heard a while back on the news that there was an effort to allow cell phones on planes. I think it had something to do with Federal Marshalls on planes, and wanting to allow them to use phones in conspicuously.

And two futuristic solutions:

1) Imagine a two-sided paper thin e-book device with a flat battery. It looks basically like a laminated 4x6 sheet, and it can sense when the page is flipped over, causing the electronic image to flip forward or back. Maybe additional sensor buttons on the edge for additional control, but not obvious to look at.

2) Remove the ON/OFF switch. Technically this would work. Practically, you'd end up in a fight with the crew, and you will always lose that battle!

Hughdal · 08-03-2007, 01:51 AM

Thank you HarryT for explaining in very simple terms why cell phones are not allowed to be used on flights. The very high intelligence level of the members of this forum should have stopped all the hearsey - gossip - rumour -nonfacts that have been running through this thread.

Hughdal

JSWolf · 08-03-2007, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmikov

There are rules and there are people who enforce them without understanding them. Or scared without understanding them.
EM emittion of Sony ereader I would imagine is not much more then a digital watch.
Please don't be scaring us comparing caring for lives with rationally analizing stupid rules and laws. To change them you have to start somewhere and raising the question is a first step.
But if you insist; I'll post my flight plans here so you can rebook your tickets.

The real issue is this.. do you know 100% what electronic devices are ok to use to break the rules? If you cannot answer yes, then why break the rules and risk lives?

tribble · 08-03-2007, 04:28 AM

JSWolf. Have you ever crossed a red traffic light as a pedestrian, when there was no car in sight? Have you always looke for children, who might see you do it?

JSWolf · 08-03-2007, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

JSWolf. Have you ever crossed a red traffic light as a pedestrian, when there was no car in sight? Have you always looke for children, who might see you do it?

I don't think the looking at children comment is appropriate at all.

Yes, I have crossed against traffic. There has to be some electronics that can cause a problem on the plain otherwise, the rule would not be. Do you know what that is? if you don't know what's safe and what's not, isn't it better to jst be safe and turn them all off?

tribble · 08-03-2007, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I don't think the looking at children comment is appropriate at all.

hmm, i think you misunderstood. I was refering to children see you cross the road, when having a red light. You are firstly taking the risk of accidently hurting people, who are crossing the street when having a green light, and you are teaching children to risk their own and other peoples lifes.

But since you have crossed the road, taking that risk, you were judging to your best abilities, that the risk involved to you and others was minimal, and thus you took it. Its the same with reading on the plane.

It just depends on your assessment of the risk involved, which makes you break the rules.

And by the way. You should most definately not use EMP-Generators during flight.

john peer · 03-30-2008, 09:14 PM

I agree with the OP...and the poster whose cousin the pilot said the main reason gadgets are banned is to ensure the attention of the passengers during take-off and landing.

The fact is that pilots use celphones. (So do doctors and nurses in the hospital when no-ones looking, oh my!). Stupid airline "rules" that prevent the use of an e-reader or a GPS unit ( I fire mine up often when I fly...I recently left John Lennon Airport with my Mio and navigated the streets of liverpool at 185 MPH!) need to be called into question by folks like us, or they will never be upgraded for the 21st century. Complaining to the stewards, our frontline "face" of an airline, that the rules are obselete is the only way we have to voice our disapproval. We don't get to meet very often with the CEO of BA.

And folks that jump in with comments like "those are the rules you agreed to, so bow your head, hat in hand, and put up with them....baa, baa) are forgetting that a little bit of civil disobedience is a fine way to make our voices heard about silly rules from the 1960's, when an "electronic device" was a great heaving thing with valve tubes and pulsating diodes, lol.

As far as an ereader being an "electronic device" "by it's very nature" (!?) and thus MUST be shut off....
...well so is a pacemaker, mate...and a digital watch..

Flawed logic, indeed.

moz · 03-30-2008, 10:58 PM

Given the technical discussions about whether a cellphone in the cockpit can interfere with the systems there in anything other than a "mild annoyance" sense, I'm not that concerned about ebooks. Or digital watches, pacemakers, electronic diaries and so on. Anything with a battery life measured in weeks is fine by me. I'm more worried that the laptop battery next to me is going to explode than that an ebook will generate enough RFI to crash the plane.

Cellphones in aeroplanes are a huge issue for cellphone networks because they move so fast and cover so many cells.

Penforhire · 04-01-2008, 07:19 PM

Sort of on-topic, I notice cell phones are banned inside many hospital areas. They seem to be concerned about the possibility of affecting all sorts of monitors and drug dispensers. Seems unreasonable (I saw that Mythbusters episode too) but the stakes are indeed high in hospitals.

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07-31-2007, 01:49 PM	#62
Bob Russell Recovering Gadget Addict Posts: 5,381 Karma: 676161 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Device: iPad	A few thoughts... * If I was an airline I'd be looking for the simplest rule possible. This is about as simple as it can get - "If it has an OFF switch, then turn it off." And I think it works pretty well. * I hate not being able to read on takeoff. The whole time period between boarding and getting well into the air is prime reading time for me before I get drowsy. * I don't want people to use phones on planes anyway. It would be worse than sitting next to a bunch of little kids on long flights. Btw, someone proposed the other day that Disney sponsor a kids section on flights with all kinds of decorations and even ads maybe. It would be nice to have adult and family areas in planes, both for adults traveling without kids and for parents with kids! * I heard a while back on the news that there was an effort to allow cell phones on planes. I think it had something to do with Federal Marshalls on planes, and wanting to allow them to use phones in conspicuously. And two futuristic solutions: 1) Imagine a two-sided paper thin e-book device with a flat battery. It looks basically like a laminated 4x6 sheet, and it can sense when the page is flipped over, causing the electronic image to flip forward or back. Maybe additional sensor buttons on the edge for additional control, but not obvious to look at. 2) Remove the ON/OFF switch. Technically this would work. Practically, you'd end up in a fight with the crew, and you will always lose that battle!

08-03-2007, 01:51 AM	#63
Hughdal Connoisseur Posts: 77 Karma: 3961 Join Date: Mar 2007 Device: Ex Sony-Ex Nook-New PW User	Thank you HarryT for explaining in very simple terms why cell phones are not allowed to be used on flights. The very high intelligence level of the members of this forum should have stopped all the hearsey - gossip - rumour -nonfacts that have been running through this thread. Hughdal

08-03-2007, 04:28 AM	#65
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	JSWolf. Have you ever crossed a red traffic light as a pedestrian, when there was no car in sight? Have you always looke for children, who might see you do it?

03-30-2008, 09:14 PM	#68
john peer Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: mio 168	I agree with the OP...and the poster whose cousin the pilot said the main reason gadgets are banned is to ensure the attention of the passengers during take-off and landing. The fact is that pilots use celphones. (So do doctors and nurses in the hospital when no-ones looking, oh my!). Stupid airline "rules" that prevent the use of an e-reader or a GPS unit ( I fire mine up often when I fly...I recently left John Lennon Airport with my Mio and navigated the streets of liverpool at 185 MPH!) need to be called into question by folks like us, or they will never be upgraded for the 21st century. Complaining to the stewards, our frontline "face" of an airline, that the rules are obselete is the only way we have to voice our disapproval. We don't get to meet very often with the CEO of BA. And folks that jump in with comments like "those are the rules you agreed to, so bow your head, hat in hand, and put up with them....baa, baa) are forgetting that a little bit of civil disobedience is a fine way to make our voices heard about silly rules from the 1960's, when an "electronic device" was a great heaving thing with valve tubes and pulsating diodes, lol. As far as an ereader being an "electronic device" "by it's very nature" (!?) and thus MUST be shut off.... ...well so is a pacemaker, mate...and a digital watch.. Flawed logic, indeed.

03-30-2008, 10:58 PM	#69
moz Addict Posts: 370 Karma: 1553 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbun Device: Kobo H2O	Given the technical discussions about whether a cellphone in the cockpit can interfere with the systems there in anything other than a "mild annoyance" sense, I'm not that concerned about ebooks. Or digital watches, pacemakers, electronic diaries and so on. Anything with a battery life measured in weeks is fine by me. I'm more worried that the laptop battery next to me is going to explode than that an ebook will generate enough RFI to crash the plane. Cellphones in aeroplanes are a huge issue for cellphone networks because they move so fast and cover so many cells.

04-01-2008, 07:19 PM	#70
Penforhire Wizard Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+	Sort of on-topic, I notice cell phones are banned inside many hospital areas. They seem to be concerned about the possibility of affecting all sorts of monitors and drug dispensers. Seems unreasonable (I saw that Mythbusters episode too) but the stakes are indeed high in hospitals.