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Old 03-13-2010, 07:50 AM   #1
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Google and Italy deal
I am quite happy and also proud of this

"Google, Italy agree massive book scanning project
By Davide Berretta (AFP) – 2 days ago
ROME — Google said Wednesday it had reached agreement with the Italian culture ministry to scan up to a million books housed in the national libraries of Rome and Florence.
"Google will cover the costs of scanning all these works and will set up a scanning centre in Italy," making them available on its Google Books website, the company said in a statement.
"This is our first agreement with a national government's culture ministry," Nikesh Arora, the head of Google's global sales operations, told a news conference.
The move comes as publishers and tech companies battle for dominance in the fast-growing digital e-book market, with Google positioning itself as a go-to place on the Internet for potential book buyers.
The agreement regards out-of-copyright books published before 1868, including writings by Italian physicist Galileo Galilei and German mathematician and astronomer Johannes Kepler.
Google will also provide the libraries with digital copies of the books to post on their own websites.
Google has already agreed to scan and publish online books from many universities such as Oxford, in England, and Columbia in New York, as well as public libraries in Bavaria in southern Germany, New York and Lyon, France.
"It's a partnership that opens a new road for Italian culture," said Italy's Culture Minister Sandro Bondi, adding that the libraries' agreement with Google does not mean they are bound to give access only to the US tech giant.
Mario Resca, an official at the Italian culture ministry, estimated that the project would cost 100 million euros (135 million dollars).

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One might find interesting these links

Christian Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapt...ng-for-readers

BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8561245.stm

Le Monde
http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/a...38_651865.html

Sueddeutsche
http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/958763
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Old 03-13-2010, 07:52 AM   #2
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Yes, there was an item on the BBC News about this. Very good news indeed and, because all the books are out of copyright, none of the legal issues which have plagued some of Google's other scanning projects.
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"The agreement regards out-of-copyright books published before 1868...."

"...published before 1868"!!!

"...published before 1868"!!!

And I thought that OUR copyright laws were bad.
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Old 03-13-2010, 12:55 PM   #4
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Italy has a standard "life + 70" copyright law, as do all EU countries, so consider the case of an author who wrote a book in 1868 when he was 20, and then went on to live to the age of 100. He would have died in 1948, and his book will be in copyright until 1st Jan 2019. Had said author died at the age of 90, however, his books will now be in the public domain.
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"The agreement regards out-of-copyright books published before 1868...."

"...published before 1868"!!!

"...published before 1868"!!!

And I thought that OUR copyright laws were bad.
The only way I see of dealing with this copyright nonsense is if all creative people place their work into the Public Domain upon creation and flood the creative world, making copyright useless and without any relevance. And while I'm daydreaming, I would also like to win the lottery.
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99.999% of books published in 1868 are, of course, in the public domain, but it's still necessary to check, just because of freak circumstances such as I postulated above.
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The interest of the deal lays in the antiquarian books, which are the purpose of the national libraries of Rome and Florence. For the other books Gutenberg is already doing a fantastic work.

To me this is exciting, it means being able to peruse on my PC some illuminated manuscript. I read in the paper that they will use special ultra technological equipment for the scanning and will hire a team of 100 specialists to handle the precious books. The Italians insisted on running the operation in place so that the books will not have to travel around.

To me, the question of copyright is important when books are not available simply because the publisher and the distribution chain drops them. For instance, I love the early books of Lawrence Sanders. They do not exist anymore. I have a number of them in print, stacked away somewhere in the attic, to increase the entropy of the universe, and I would like so much to be able to re-read them for the nth time on the reader. May be my grand child will read them on MR in 50 years.
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For instance, I love the early books of Lawrence Sanders. They do not exist anymore. I have a number of them in print, stacked away somewhere in the attic, to increase the entropy of the universe, and I would like so much to be able to re-read them for the nth time on the reader. May be my grand child will read them on MR in 50 years.
"The Anderson Tapes" by Sanders is a book that keeps walking through me mind over the decades. Anyone living in the UK should read it. Cameras everywhere.

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Italy has a standard "life + 70" copyright law, as do all EU countries, so consider the case of an author who wrote a book in 1868 when he was 20, and then went on to live to the age of 100. He would have died in 1948, and his book will be in copyright until 1st Jan 2019. Had said author died at the age of 90, however, his books will now be in the public domain.
I'm sorry, but a book that has been out of print for more than 20 years should no longer be copyrighted. I would not convict ANYONE of copyright violation in that case.
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"The Anderson Tapes" by Sanders is a book that keeps walking through me mind over the decades. Anyone living in the UK should read it. Cameras everywhere.
Sidney Lumet made a sharp movie out of it with Sean Connery.
But then you have The Tomorrow File by which one learns to love Egon Schiele http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egon_Schiele and many many more books.
Thank you HorridRedDog for mentioning it. It's microphones rather than cameras.
But maybe cameras are your concern. And this will really take us out of track.
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Thank you HorridRedDog for mentioning it. It's microphones rather than cameras.But maybe cameras are your concern. And this will really take us out of track.
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It was a very long time ago and I can easily be wrong.

As best I can recall, and a very short version at that, the main character want to commit a crime after he gets out of prison. Almost everyone he visits, while setting up the job, is under surveillance by one agency or another (local police, FBI, etc.).

Altogether they (local police, FBI, etc.) have the complete story of the proposed heist. But they don't know it.

In short - everywhere he goes he is recorded.

And thus the segue to Cameras in the UK. Of which I am not opposed as I don't think that anyone is insane enough to give two hoots about me.

I only have one or two Lawrence Sanders books left. And like you they are packed away among some of my other favorite books.

If anyone wants a good read I can easily recommend them.

You can still get them at Amazon

And back to your original point - Yes, the Google deal is good for Italian culture. Or just people like me that enjoy history.
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One must defend a Patent. I think a similar feature should be present for Copyright.

I think a compromise needs to be made for books no longer in print. If neither the publisher nor the author has a new book or an eBook for sale for a period - say 10 years, then the work should in some fashion revert to public domain.

Another compromise should be made for books where the copyright holder cannot be found. Perhaps 10 years as well.
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I think a compromise needs to be made for books no longer in print. If neither the publisher nor the author has a new book or an eBook for sale for a period - say 10 years, then the work should in some fashion revert to public domain.

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That may not be enough. The publisher could then just publish the book in ebook form, and sell it (for one day) from their own website every 9 years!

The non-publishing of a book for over 20 years is like a small child that has grown tired of a toy. They don't want it any more, but will scream if anyone else wants to play with it. After all, isn't it better to let a book rot in the dark than to let someone buy copies of it for less than "new book" prices?
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If anyone wants a good read I can easily recommend them.

You can still get them at Amazon
Thank you, that's very nice. Then may be they will appear as ebook.
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"Google, Italy agree massive book scanning project
By Davide Berretta (AFP) – 2 days ago
ROME — Google said Wednesday it had reached agreement with the Italian culture ministry to scan up to a million books housed in the national libraries of Rome and Florence.
That's great news !
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"The agreement regards out-of-copyright books published before 1868...."

"...published before 1868"!!!

"...published before 1868"!!!

And I thought that OUR copyright laws were bad.
Note that the text you quote does not state or imply that there are no out of copyright texts published after 1868. Merely that the agreement only deals with "out-of-copyright books published before 1868".

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