Reader on the airplain - is it electronic device or not;)

Arek_W · 07-20-2007, 04:14 AM

yesterday I had to do some flying between my place & Brussels. This means 4 planes, 4take-offs & 4 landings. As you know, when the seatbelt sign is on, you should not use any/all electronic devices, but bottom line is that you can not use reader for roughly 30 min during your flight.

So, I tried 8 times to read during seatbelt sign on, out of which 6 times was told to shot down this device of mine, 4 times had an argument about a definition of electronic device & that Reader, and an impact of newspaper & Reader on the airline rules.

What do you do in similar situation ?

beartard · 07-20-2007, 05:08 AM

Yes, the Reader is an electronic device, by its very nature. Yes the rules are stupid. But when you buy a plane ticket, you agree to abide by all the stupid rules--even those that are added or changed at the last minute. Flight isn't a right; it's a privilege. Unfortunately, so is using an ebook reader.

Frankly, getting shot down once or twice should've been enough for you. If your being obstinate had caused a disruption in my flight, I would've been very upset.

HarryT · 07-20-2007, 05:33 AM

You buy a ticket - you abide by the airline's rules. Doesn't matter if they make sense or not. There's no point in arguing with the cabin crew - they are just doing their job in enforcing the rules; they don't make the rules.

svolakko · 07-20-2007, 05:53 AM

I always close the Reader when the stewardess makes her check, and once she sits in her seat I continue reading... I never had any problems with this (somewhat alibistic) approach

Arek_W · 07-20-2007, 07:18 AM

FYI, my cousin is a pilot and except for ie. trasmitting devices like mobile phones/radios which can interfere with other devices, all other equipment has to be turned off for a very simple reason of keeping an order on the plane and have full attention of the passengers.

VillageReader · 07-20-2007, 08:54 AM

Yeah, like that guy that always seems to be snoring in the seat next to me.

Leaping Gnome · 07-20-2007, 09:38 AM

The rules are kind of dumb, but by choosing to fly, you agree to follow them.

That being said, the best way I've heard it explained is that if you can plug it in, it has to be turned off.

RSaunders · 07-20-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaping Gnome

The rules are kind of dumb, but by choosing to fly, you agree to follow them.

That being said, the best way I've heard it explained is that if you can plug it in, it has to be turned off.

The actual rule at AA and SWA is "If it has an 'on/off' control, it has to be 'off'." The airline folks know that electronic goodies are never really "off" unless you take out the batteries. How would the momentary button sense that you wanted to turn on if some circuit wasn't energized?

They mostly want you to put electronics away to keep them from flying around if there is a bump. They are denser than newspapers and paperbacks. This leads to more chance of loose items hurting someone. They give the first class folks plastic cups for the same reason.

AndiR · 07-20-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Arek_W

As you know, when the seatbelt sign is on, you should not use any/all electronic devices, but bottom line is that you can not use reader for roughly 30 min during your flight.

I fly most weeks - this week 4 flights ( XRY-MAD MAD-BUD and return ) I normally turn it on when the first "ping" after take off is made by the captain as this indicates to the crew that they, and only they, can get up.

They normally see me reading and have never said anything yet (I have had the reader since last November)

As for landing, I turn it off and use that time to close my eyes and relax as it is the last 30 minute break before battling through the airport and getting somewhere.

Only 2 more flights this month and 10 planned next month :-(

Regards from a sunny Spain, AndiR

Dr. Drib · 07-20-2007, 11:48 AM

.....by the crew. I NEVER argue with a crew member on a flight. NEVER!

Let me make a chewing gum analogy: Just don't get caught.

Like someone else said: close the Reader when a member of the crew is coming toward you.

slayda · 07-20-2007, 12:35 PM

Fortunately, due to a previously ruptured ear drum, my doctor has given me strict orders to never fly. So I don't have to worry with flight attendants or snoring "seat buddies" that may want to sleep on my shoulder.

JSWolf · 07-21-2007, 08:13 AM

In August we are flying from Boston to NYC and my reader will be with me. And I will abide the rules. What I did when I went to Florida recently was to also take *GASP!* a paperback book I was also reading. So for the time I wanted to read and the Sony was unavailable, the paperback did well.

Dr. Drib · 07-21-2007, 08:23 AM

fill the air like the embers that rise into the crystal night. At this time, an Elder will clear his throat and begin one of the Old Stories, how one bright day, paperbacks were everywhere and people travelled in metal appliances with paperbacks near them. People even had them in machines where food was served, if the Legend holds true. Of course, some of this has to be sheer Fabrication, but the eyes of the Young open wide in disbelief at this wild idea. Seeing this, the Elder will cackle with mirth and say, "Well, it's only a Story, young one. Only a story."

But still, in in the crackling fire that shoots up high and the wind that blows like a thousand summers, the call of the Wild Ones echos across the Darkened Land. It is then that I sometimes hear a small voice in my head, a voice like that of a Child: "Paperbacks. Paperbacks as numerous as the stars."

Don

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

In August we are flying from Boston to NYC and my reader will be with me. And I will abide the rules. What I did when I went to Florida recently was to also take *GASP!* a paperback book I was also reading. So for the time I wanted to read and the Sony was unavailable, the paperback did well.

JSWolf · 07-21-2007, 08:29 AM

Dr. Dib uses Outlook Express. He's TOP posting. KILL HIM NOW!

NatCh · 07-21-2007, 11:26 AM

You can top post from the web interface too, JSWolf. You might want to ease up on the coffee, BTW.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Dr. Dib uses Outlook Express. He's TOP posting. KILL HIM NOW!

07-20-2007, 04:14 AM	#1
Arek_W Connoisseur Posts: 76 Karma: 24 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wroclaw, Poland Device: PRS-505, ASUS N636	Reader on the airplain - is it electronic device or not;) yesterday I had to do some flying between my place & Brussels. This means 4 planes, 4take-offs & 4 landings. As you know, when the seatbelt sign is on, you should not use any/all electronic devices, but bottom line is that you can not use reader for roughly 30 min during your flight. So, I tried 8 times to read during seatbelt sign on, out of which 6 times was told to shot down this device of mine, 4 times had an argument about a definition of electronic device & that Reader, and an impact of newspaper & Reader on the airline rules. What do you do in similar situation ? Last edited by Arek_W; 07-20-2007 at 04:16 AM.

07-20-2007, 07:18 AM	#5
Arek_W Connoisseur Posts: 76 Karma: 24 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wroclaw, Poland Device: PRS-505, ASUS N636	FYI, my cousin is a pilot and except for ie. trasmitting devices like mobile phones/radios which can interfere with other devices, all other equipment has to be turned off for a very simple reason of keeping an order on the plane and have full attention of the passengers. Last edited by Arek_W; 07-20-2007 at 07:24 AM.

07-20-2007, 11:48 AM	#10
Dr. Drib Grand Sorcerer Posts: 45,341 Karma: 59447733 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Peru Device: KINDLE: Oasis 3, Scribe (1st), Matcha; KOBO: Libra 2, Libra Colour	It's not the plane I'm worried about getting shot - it's me getting shot! .....by the crew. I NEVER argue with a crew member on a flight. NEVER! Let me make a chewing gum analogy: Just don't get caught. Like someone else said: close the Reader when a member of the crew is coming toward you.

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07-20-2007, 05:08 AM	#2
beartard Minister of Linux Posts: 196 Karma: 73235 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Winter Haven, Florida, USA Device: nook, T-Mobile MyTouch 3G Slide	Yes, the Reader is an electronic device, by its very nature. Yes the rules are stupid. But when you buy a plane ticket, you agree to abide by all the stupid rules--even those that are added or changed at the last minute. Flight isn't a right; it's a privilege. Unfortunately, so is using an ebook reader. Frankly, getting shot down once or twice should've been enough for you. If your being obstinate had caused a disruption in my flight, I would've been very upset.

07-20-2007, 05:33 AM	#3
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	You buy a ticket - you abide by the airline's rules. Doesn't matter if they make sense or not. There's no point in arguing with the cabin crew - they are just doing their job in enforcing the rules; they don't make the rules.

07-20-2007, 05:53 AM	#4
svolakko Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bratislava, Slovakia Device: Sony Reader	I always close the Reader when the stewardess makes her check, and once she sits in her seat I continue reading... I never had any problems with this (somewhat alibistic) approach

07-20-2007, 08:54 AM	#6
VillageReader Evangelist Posts: 430 Karma: 2718 Join Date: May 2006 Device: Iliad	Yeah, like that guy that always seems to be snoring in the seat next to me.

07-20-2007, 09:38 AM	#7
Leaping Gnome Evangelist Posts: 490 Karma: 1641 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville Device: Sony Reader PRS-500	The rules are kind of dumb, but by choosing to fly, you agree to follow them. That being said, the best way I've heard it explained is that if you can plug it in, it has to be turned off.

07-20-2007, 12:35 PM	#11
slayda Retired & reading more! Posts: 2,764 Karma: 1884247 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Alabama, USA Device: Kindle 1, iPad Air 2, iPhone 6S+, Kobo Aura One	Fortunately, due to a previously ruptured ear drum, my doctor has given me strict orders to never fly. So I don't have to worry with flight attendants or snoring "seat buddies" that may want to sleep on my shoulder.

07-21-2007, 08:13 AM	#12
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,125 Karma: 144284184 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	In August we are flying from Boston to NYC and my reader will be with me. And I will abide the rules. What I did when I went to Florida recently was to also take GASP! a paperback book I was also reading. So for the time I wanted to read and the Sony was unavailable, the paperback did well.

07-21-2007, 08:29 AM	#14
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,125 Karma: 144284184 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Dr. Dib uses Outlook Express. He's TOP posting. KILL HIM NOW!