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Old 03-06-2010, 11:38 AM   #4066
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I've almost bought "God is Not Great" a couple of times. Thanks for the input on it, may read it at some point. "Breaking the Spell" (in paperback) is right here on my desk at the moment. I've only read the first chapter so far.

The Atheist Manifesto has been mentioned to me several time. I'm going to go find it right now.

Thanks Neil!

P.S. just ordered "The Atheist Manifesto" used in paper...no ebook available that I could find.
I read Hitchens' God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything as an audiobook download from iTunes and it's really really good. The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason by Sam Harris is good also, but as Neil indicated, it seems that at times Harris skates uncomfortable close to La-La land with his talk of spirituality. Still, it is worthwhile reading.

When was the last time that someone was criticized for not “respecting” another person’s unfounded beliefs about physics or history? The same rules should apply to ethical, spiritual, and religious beliefs as well. Credit goes to Christopher Hitchens for distilling, in a single phrase, a principle of discourse that could well arrest our slide toward the abyss: “what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
—Sam Harris, The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:39 AM   #4067
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Still reading, and enjoying, _The Stand_... a little less than 1/2 way through it.

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Old 03-06-2010, 12:20 PM   #4068
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For sheer poetry on the subject of belief and lack of it, though, my recommendation would be the English translation of the Atheist Manifesto by Frenchman Michel Oneray. That truly is a wonderful and profound book.
Could this be Michel Onfray? Some of his books are available in French as e-books, but not at a price I am ready to pay. I did borrow the first volume of his "Contre-histoire de la philosophie" (Not sure how to translate that) at the library, and although I am very ready to agree with him I still feel a bit uneasy about the author himself. He has apparently founded his own school of philosophy, and in some ways acts a little like a sect's guru. Not a very dangerous one, but still...

His case is that the history of philosophy as we know it, has been mostly focused on the idealistic schools and unjustly forgets the materialists. And although I feel he is a bit too enthusiastic to be completely trusted, I am very sympathetic to his ideas and I'd like to know more about those forgotten philosophers he writes about. And I do heartily agree with him on his hate of Plato I think I will read the next volume in time.
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Old 03-06-2010, 12:22 PM   #4069
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When was the last time that someone was criticized for not “respecting” another person’s unfounded beliefs about physics or history? The same rules should apply to ethical, spiritual, and religious beliefs as well. Credit goes to Christopher Hitchens for distilling, in a single phrase, a principle of discourse that could well arrest our slide toward the abyss: “what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
—Sam Harris, The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason.
Wow, I need to write that down, and put it in my signature, or something. I love it!!!
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Old 03-06-2010, 12:37 PM   #4070
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Just finished "The Trouble with Physics..." by Lee Smolin.

It was great but I wouldn't say Earth shattering. It does contain a virtual history of string theory + from Einstein to current work. It concludes with mostly a rant against the present academic system of Tenure and Grants and how it needs to change to allow for more innovation/radical thought.
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Old 03-06-2010, 02:19 PM   #4071
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***The Atheist Manifesto has been mentioned to me several time. I'm going to go find it right now***

There are two books called *Atheist Manifesto*, I think, Kenny. The one I was recommending is by Michael Onfray (and thanks for correcting my typo, Florence). Mine's in hardback. Not sure if it's in ebook yet. Best. N
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Old 03-06-2010, 02:23 PM   #4072
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***The Atheist Manifesto has been mentioned to me several time. I'm going to go find it right now***

There are two books called *Atheist Manifesto*, I think, Kenny. The one I was recommending is by Michael Onfray (and thanks for correcting my typo, Florence). Mine's in hardback. Not sure if it's in ebook yet. Best. N
Yep, that's the one I ordered via Amazon.

Thanks!
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Old 03-06-2010, 02:23 PM   #4073
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Finished "Aspects of the novel" (E. M Forster) and just realised that I actually now understand much better what a plot is (as opposed to a 'story' or 'tale').

Also finished "Questions for the movie answer man" by Roger Ebert. Just great
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Old 03-06-2010, 02:27 PM   #4074
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Finished "Aspects of the novel" (E. M Forster) and just realised that I actually now understand much better what a plot is (as opposed to a 'story' or 'tale').

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Wonderful! I read that quite a few years back. Great book!
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Old 03-06-2010, 03:19 PM   #4075
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The God Delusion is another book I plan to read in the not-too-distant future. Although his passion engenders in him a tendency to be a bit caustic at times, Dawkins is a great writer as well as an entertaining and knowledgeable speaker. I feel certain that reading this book would be well worth the time and effort!
I thought The God Delusion was excellent. Well worth the read.

And, to give the other side a shot, I read Life After Death in which the author attacks Dawkins and attempts to prove there is life after death. It was a feeble and very unscientific attempt. Game, set and match to Dawkins
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:10 PM   #4076
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I though The God Delusion was excellent. Well worth the read.

And, to give the other side a shot, I read Life After Death in which the author attacks Dawkins and attempts to prove there is life after death. It was a feeble and very unscientific attempt. Game, set and match to Dawkins

And that is always the issue. It's not an even playing field when you match up science vs religion. They are completely different realms, yet the religious (zealots) always want to "prove" their beliefs.....
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:42 PM   #4077
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And that is always the issue. It's not an even playing field when you match up science vs religion. They are completely different realms, yet the religious (zealots) always want to "prove" their beliefs.....
That always make me wonder. Why try to explain something through a means which is inherently imcompatible? Why not let it show its meaning in itself. Religion appears to be something that might be meaningful, even if it's not logical or sensible in a scientific sense. Why even bother with science?
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I'm about halfway through that. We seem to have similar literary tastes, so I hope you enjoy it as much as I have so far!
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I have just finished reading "All American Kidd" ebook from Smashwords by Rod Poulin I liked it so much I was inspired to give a glowing review only to find that it had been withdrawn reason not given however if you can get it elsewhere it's well worth a read racy in parts but very funny and some recognisable family situations and emotions
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