MobileRead Forums
Register Guidelines E-Books Today's Posts Search

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > General Discussions
Reload this Page which format will win?

Notices

Reply
Page 10 of 24 « First 6789 10 11121314 Last »
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-24-2010, 11:07 AM   #136
John F
Grand Sorcerer
John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 7,943
Karma: 70766125
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Kobo Clara 2E
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmaul1114 View Post
...

With e-books, you can copy the DRM'd file to your computer, flash drive etc. without cracking the DRM, so you can make a back up copy which can be put back on the device it's tied to and read in the future.

...
Just as an aside.

I had an opposite experience. I have a Sony 505. I bought a DRMd book (LRX). I had it backed up. Sony support had me reset my device (I was having some problems with their software). I copied the file back to my 505. Now, I cannot read the book on the device. Sony is fine with my inability to read the book. The device and the book were purchased within the past year.
John F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 12:38 PM   #137
delphidb96
Wizard
delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphidb96 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,999
Karma: 300001
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Citrus Heights, California
Device: TWO Kindle 2s, one each Bookeen Cybook Gen3, Sony PRS-500, Axim X51V
Quote:
Originally Posted by PKFFW View Post
And unless something beyond the DRM itself changes, the backup of the DRM file will be able to be restored later.

It is only if something else changes(the four points I listed in my previous post are some examples) that the data will then become "wasted space".

Hence, technically speaking, it is not the DRM itself that renders the data useless but a combination of circumstances.

Cheers,
PKFFW
So let's say you bought an ereader (.pdb) ebook from eReader.com using an older credit card which you have subsequently cancelled - and you changed your CC number with eReader and Fictionwise. No problem yes? Now let's say that you've upgraded your computer system, losing the original ebook file, and eReader goes down due to poor business practices. Now you've lost your copy of eReader's software when you upgraded your computer. And there's now NO WAY to recover the 'backed up' ebook - short of running some sort of DRM removal software against it. That is *IF* you remembered to jot down your old CC number so you can use it with the software to strip the DRM.

Things like this happen all the time, yet you insist that we shouldn't consider the ability to recover from these problems as a 'backup' issue. Why?

Derek
delphidb96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 02-24-2010, 01:01 PM   #138
dmaul1114
Wizard
dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,300
Karma: 1121709
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Amazon Kindle 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by John F View Post
Sony is fine with my inability to read the book. The device and the book were purchased within the past year.
By fine with it, do you mean you called them up and tried to see if you could get the book sent to your account again?
dmaul1114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 01:10 PM   #139
Ben Thornton
Guru
Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ben Thornton ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Ben Thornton's Avatar
 
Posts: 900
Karma: 779635
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK
Device: Kindle 3, iPad 2 (but not for e-books)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyc View Post
It's not me that is misunderstanding, the term backup means just that and nothing else.
So there is an objective meaning for terms defined by what? You? Holy writ? The Great Wikipedia says of back-up
Quote:
In information technology, a backup or the process of backing up refers to making copies of data so that these additional copies may be used to restore the original after a data loss event.
(my emphasis)
Backing up is not about making a copy. It's about making a copy so that you can restore data.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyc View Post
I give up. You clearly just want to argue as has been demonstrated in numerous threads so I will henceforth not bother to even attempt to discuss anything with you.
This is my third post on the subject. You have posted eight. I have addressed your contentions point-for-pont, while you have said "sheesh" and then run away.

I disagree with you about this, and about some other matters on other threads, but I have never (unlike some poeple) resorted to name calling. Even when it could have been funny, which was perhaps a mistake.
Ben Thornton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 01:51 PM   #140
MovieBird
TuxSlash
MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MovieBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
MovieBird's Avatar
 
Posts: 392
Karma: 2436547
Join Date: Oct 2009
Device: GlowNook
Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyc View Post
It's really quite simple. Quit trying to make it more complex and quit just friggin arguing. What is it about some people that brings this out? Sheesh!
MovieBird is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 02-24-2010, 02:11 PM   #141
John F
Grand Sorcerer
John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 7,943
Karma: 70766125
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Kobo Clara 2E
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmaul1114 View Post
By fine with it, do you mean you called them up and tried to see if you could get the book sent to your account again?
I was able to open LRX files. LRX/lrf is my prefered format, and I purchased them thru the Sony store. I have all these files backuped up, and there are additional copies in the Sony library. I was on the phone with tech support working on a problem. Tech support had me reboot/reset the device. After the reset, I put some LRX files back on the 505. None can be read on the 505. For some of the files, there was no alternative file to download. Tech support said being unable to open LRX files was expected behaviour and an epub should be available shortly. I did not really want epub. I prefer LRX. In my opinion, I purchased LRX files, and that is what I expect to get/use.


I'm just saying that the simple statement that you can "backup" DRM files with no worries is disingenuous.
John F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 02:17 PM   #142
kennyc
The Dank Side of the Moon
kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
kennyc's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,898
Karma: 119230421
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire
Quote:
Originally Posted by MovieBird View Post

Yep, saw that one, that must be it!
kennyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 02:23 PM   #143
dmaul1114
Wizard
dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dmaul1114 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,300
Karma: 1121709
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Amazon Kindle 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by John F View Post
I'm just saying that the simple statement that you can "backup" DRM files with no worries is disingenuous.
I didn't say it was worry free, just that it usually can be done with some unfortunate limitations--as long as you're putting it back on the same device/account.

Hopefully that's something that will improve going forward if we don't get a DRM free e-book world in the near future.

Anyway, I was just curious of Sony had told you "tough luck, rebuy the files" or if it was a technical issue. Looks like you'll at least be able to get them back as ePub so you'll have access to the material. Sucks you can't get it in the original format you prefer though.
dmaul1114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 03:28 PM   #144
KevinH
Sigil Developer
KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KevinH ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 8,769
Karma: 6000000
Join Date: Nov 2009
Device: many
Hi KennyC and Everyone,

This discussion has been hilarious! All I can think of when reading it is that KennyC is the guy from Monty Python that gives out arguments for anyone wanting one, and the rest of us are horrified because all we are getting is "simple contradiction".

You gotta love it!
KevinH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 03:32 PM   #145
kennyc
The Dank Side of the Moon
kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
kennyc's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,898
Karma: 119230421
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinH View Post
Hi KennyC and Everyone,

This discussion has been hilarious! All I can think of when reading it is that KennyC is the guy from Monty Python that gives out arguments for anyone wanting one, and the rest of us are horrified because all we are getting is "simple contradiction".

You gotta love it!

You'll have to talk to Ben if you want to argue about it. At least Harry and I agree with the rest of the world.
kennyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 03:52 PM   #146
John F
Grand Sorcerer
John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 7,943
Karma: 70766125
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Kobo Clara 2E
Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyc View Post
You'll have to talk to Ben if you want to argue about it. At least Harry and I agree with the rest of the world.
Make that rest of the world - 1. I'm with Ben.
John F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 03:59 PM   #147
PKFFW
Wizard
PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.PKFFW ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 3,791
Karma: 33500000
Join Date: Dec 2008
Device: BeBook, Sony PRS-T1, Kobo H2O
Quote:
Originally Posted by delphidb96 View Post
Things like this happen all the time, yet you insist that we shouldn't consider the ability to recover from these problems as a 'backup' issue. Why?

Derek
Please quote where I stated that "we shouldn't consider the ability to recover from these problems as a 'backup' issue."

Oh, that's right, I didn't.

Cheers,
PKFFW
PKFFW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 05:42 PM   #148
kennyc
The Dank Side of the Moon
kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
kennyc's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,898
Karma: 119230421
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire
Quote:
Originally Posted by PKFFW View Post
Please quote where I stated that "we shouldn't consider the ability to recover from these problems as a 'backup' issue."

Oh, that's right, I didn't.

Cheers,
PKFFW
Oh I forgot to include you with Harry and I. Sorry.

kennyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 06:33 PM   #149
TheJohnNewton
Addict
TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.TheJohnNewton is not required to obey the law of gravity.
 
Posts: 256
Karma: 144599
Join Date: Jan 2008
Device: Boox Nova 2
"Backing up is not about making a copy. It's about making a copy so that you can restore data."

And then the critical third step is being able to use the data. If you can't do all three steps (backup, restore, use) then the entire process is worthless. DRM (as used on ebooks) won't prevent you from doing the backup or the restore steps but it may prevent you from being able to use the data thus making the backup worthless.

So what was the point of all this debate again?
TheJohnNewton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 06:50 PM   #150
kennyc
The Dank Side of the Moon
kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
kennyc's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,898
Karma: 119230421
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire
Three lone voices crying out into the darkness of ignorance and neglect.
Three lone voices standing up for common usage
Three lone voices striving to make the world a better place...
Last edited by kennyc; 02-24-2010 at 06:53 PM.
kennyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 10 of 24 « First 6789 10 11121314 Last »

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
iPhone Convert epub format to kindle for iPhone format. Is it possible? thecyberphotog Apple Devices 16 03-14-2013 01:04 AM
Win Vista to Win 7 Upgrade messed up Calibre Amy44 Calibre 2 06-01-2010 10:12 PM
Unutterably Silly Who Will Win The Most Gold? desertgrandma Lounge 187 03-02-2010 03:24 PM
If Only I Could Win..... PeeBus Sony Reader 2 06-11-2009 09:03 PM
Master Format for multi-format eBook Generation? cerement Workshop 43 04-01-2009 12:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:54 PM.

Contact Us - FAQ - Guidelines - Privacy - Top

MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.