Notion Ink Adam (the one with a PixelQi display) gets final specs, price and date - Page 6

Acreo Aeneas · 02-17-2010, 10:46 PM

If it does come out to be $327, I might just get it to replace my ASUS 1000HE netbook. At 19 hours of video playback, that's pretty impressive battery life. Though as a document reader, I wonder if it'll even squeeze out 40 hours.

badbob001 · 02-17-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BKeeper

[Amazon] has to give Apple a taste of its own medicine.

Develop and attractive multifunction device that is integrated with Amazons digital audio, video and Kindle units, and try to dominate magazines and academic markets.

I'm sure many companies have said the following in the past:
"Okay, we have to develop a better mp3 player than the ipod."
"Okay, we have to develop a better GUI than OSX."
"Okay, we have to develop a better phone than the iphone."
"Okay, we have to develop a better ad campaign than apple's."

While 'better' is arguable with bullet points, perception somehow is usually in apple's favor.

While the past can not determine the future, it would be foolish to ignore it. A direct attack against Apple may not work and I would imagine an Amazon board meeting where this idea is brought up and met with stunned silence.

Remember, Amazon OK'ed the design of the original Kindle 1.

Shaggy · 02-17-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by badbob001

I'm sure many companies have said the following in the past:
"Okay, we have to develop a better mp3 player than the ipod."
"Okay, we have to develop a better GUI than OSX."
"Okay, we have to develop a better phone than the iphone."
"Okay, we have to develop a better ad campaign than apple's."

The first three have been done. That last one is the hard part.

DawnFalcon · 02-18-2010, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by badbob001

"Okay, we have to develop a better mp3 player than the ipod."

iRiver.

Before, during and quite probably after Apple's iPods.

FireRunner · 02-18-2010, 12:23 AM

Will be interesting to see the pricing variations on this device.

badbob001 · 02-18-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

iRiver. Before, during and quite probably after Apple's iPods.

The vendors and content providers would view 'the best' as the one with the most market share and thus would have the most influence and control over their business decisions.

ricou · 02-18-2010, 08:05 AM

I think I read somewhere that there would be
a 300 Euro something price would be for a model with a standard LCD screen
while a 800 Euro model with pixelQI screen.

But as someone rightly posted. If they postponed until August, then we will have probably a wider choice ! So probably cheaper options as well !

Why would I pay more than 1000 USD for a pixelQI, when I could get an Edge for half that price (although with two separate screens) ?

In addition, I am waiting on amazon's reaction as well!

LDBoblo · 02-18-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ricou

I think I read somewhere that there would be
a 300 Euro something price would be for a model with a standard LCD screen
while a 800 Euro model with pixelQI screen.

But as someone rightly posted. If they postponed until August, then we will have probably a wider choice ! So probably cheaper options as well !

Why would I pay more than 1000 USD for a pixelQI, when I could get an Edge for half that price (although with two separate screens) ?

In addition, I am waiting on amazon's reaction as well!

We still don't know what the prices are going to be. Everything posted about them is just speculation and vague ranges.

JoeD · 02-18-2010, 09:23 AM

I got the impression that the new screen wouldn't add anything noticable to the cost of production. It was mentioned a few times that whilst there's going to be newer tech that provides colour eInk displays, it'll require a change in manufacturing where as the pixel Qi is supposed to be manufactured on very similar production gear. So whilst it may not be able to compete directly when the newer display tech comes around, it's going to be on sale sooner and should be cheaper.

The PopSci post covers some of this.

Next year or two looks to be bringing some interesting changes in display tech

Ben Thornton · 02-18-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by David Marseilles

So you think Amazon doesn't need hardware to compete, and pilotbob thinks amazon doesn't need hardware to compete. It seems like you do agree.

If this is true (i.e. that Amazon doesn't need hardware to compete, not that they agree!), why are Amazon locking their content to the Kindle?

If they had an auto-convert to ePub, with application of, say, Adobe DRM on top to replace their DRM, they could sell to a market that was perhaps half as large again as their current Kindle user base.

Technically, this is easy, so I can't understand why they're not doing it if their profits are in the content, not the hardware.

DawnFalcon · 02-18-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by badbob001

The vendors and content providers would view 'the best' as the one with the most market share and thus would have the most influence and control over their business decisions.

Ohrly? No, they'd prefer a fragmented market allowing plenty of separate vendor lockins and no single device maker able to dictate to them.

JoeD - EPD screens can be made on standard TFT lines with Philip's EPLaR process.

Kosst Amojan · 02-18-2010, 10:57 AM

So this machine come running windows by default? Sorry if it was asked earlier but I the picture the're showing has it running Enigma which is a skin for a program called Rainmeter that last time I checked was Windows only.

pilotbob · 02-18-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kosst Amojan

So this machine come running windows by default? Sorry if it was asked earlier but I the picture the're showing has it running Enigma which is a skin for a program called Rainmeter that last time I checked was Windows only.

No, I'm pretty sure it runs Android.

BOb

badbob001 · 02-18-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

Ohrly? No, they'd prefer a fragmented market allowing plenty of separate vendor lockins and no single device maker able to dictate to them.

What do you suggest they do since the market is not divided in the way they prefer? They can't simply ignore the biggest player.

Eh, I think I'm getting off topic at this point. Sorry.

dmaul1114 · 02-18-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Thornton

If this is true (i.e. that Amazon doesn't need hardware to compete, not that they agree!), why are Amazon locking their content to the Kindle?

They do have the Kindle App for PCs, iPhone/iPod touch and Blackberry. So they see the value of selling their books on multiple machines.

But at the same time, they do make money selling Kindles so they don't want people reading their books on say a Sony reader.

So it will stay locked unless they decide to abandon hardware, which they probably won't. Even if they can compete without hardware, no point in giving it up if it's making some profit for them.

02-18-2010, 09:23 AM	#84
JoeD Guru Posts: 895 Karma: 4383958 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: na	I got the impression that the new screen wouldn't add anything noticable to the cost of production. It was mentioned a few times that whilst there's going to be newer tech that provides colour eInk displays, it'll require a change in manufacturing where as the pixel Qi is supposed to be manufactured on very similar production gear. So whilst it may not be able to compete directly when the newer display tech comes around, it's going to be on sale sooner and should be cheaper. The PopSci post covers some of this. Next year or two looks to be bringing some interesting changes in display tech Last edited by JoeD; 02-18-2010 at 09:27 AM.

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Acreo Aeneas Kobo Aura Posts: 252 Karma: 500520 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicago, Illinois Device: Kobo Aura	If it does come out to be $327, I might just get it to replace my ASUS 1000HE netbook. At 19 hours of video playback, that's pretty impressive battery life. Though as a document reader, I wonder if it'll even squeeze out 40 hours.

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FireRunner eAddict Posts: 57 Karma: 54 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Washington DC Device: Nook	Will be interesting to see the pricing variations on this device.

02-18-2010, 08:05 AM	#82
ricou Enthusiast Posts: 31 Karma: 106 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: bebook	I think I read somewhere that there would be a 300 Euro something price would be for a model with a standard LCD screen while a 800 Euro model with pixelQI screen. But as someone rightly posted. If they postponed until August, then we will have probably a wider choice ! So probably cheaper options as well ! Why would I pay more than 1000 USD for a pixelQI, when I could get an Edge for half that price (although with two separate screens) ? In addition, I am waiting on amazon's reaction as well!

02-18-2010, 10:57 AM	#87
Kosst Amojan Addict Posts: 207 Karma: 19597 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Device: Nook Glowlight Plus	So this machine come running windows by default? Sorry if it was asked earlier but I the picture the're showing has it running Enigma which is a skin for a program called Rainmeter that last time I checked was Windows only.