If only I lived in the US. - Page 7

Pardoz · 02-09-2010, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sabredog

Gift certificates do not work either. The system still needs to complete a transaction thus looking at country of origin

You can generally buy gift certificates regardless of country of origin. If the store is checking your IP address when you make the purchase/download the book, then you'll need to use a VPN or proxy.

nick101 · 02-09-2010, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pardoz

Or avoiding paying taxes.

I'm shocked, shocked that you could think such a thing. Surely everyone knows that publishers are poor lovers of the written word, who sacrifice their lives, their families' lives, yea, even the bread out of their children's mouths, for the simple joy of distributing the fruits of their authors' labours. They don't even want the money we pay them - they're just forced to take it by the cruel and brutal pressures of the capitalist system.

Come the revolution, when the lickspittle running dogs of the neo-imperialist Amazonist-Appleist Gang of Two have paid the ultimate price for their unspeakable crimes against the whole of humanity, publishers will be able to throw off their disguise as money-grubbing bourgeois parasites, and reveal themselves as the true benefactors of mankind that they really are.

Then you'll be sorry. Oh yes.

wyndhamfan · 02-09-2010, 05:33 AM

sabredog, perhaps if you can't buy books from Diesel thanks to their super duper restrictions, you could try at other stores? I've had no problems buying from Books on Board (for now!) and Fictionwise.

Frankly, it boggles the mind, and insults me quite a bit that these short-sighted publishers won't accept my money even when I beg them to take it. They're just driving desperate readers to resort to browsing in the Darknets!

In my part of the world, piracy is such a way of life now because the producers of various products see it fit to restrict us perfectly legitimate customers from getting stuff. We're often treated like an afterthought; movies would come to us later, books - if we're lucky - would come a year after the release. But, ironically, piracy changed the cinemas and now we sometimes get movies earlier!

sabredog · 02-09-2010, 05:44 AM

I will be waiting until Fictionwise releases the book in question, hopefully pre release soon. Unfortunately there is big tightening up of geo restrictions occurring that now make it next to impossible to pay for a wanted book.

Darknet is looming I fear, which is unfortunate,

sabredog · 02-09-2010, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pardoz

You can generally buy gift certificates regardless of country of origin. If the store is checking your IP address when you make the purchase/download the book, then you'll need to use a VPN or proxy.

Got the gift certificate but when I go to use it on my other account it wants to proceed as if I was buying the book with card or paypal. That ends the whole process as the country check fails.

The checkout does not use the balance on the gift certificate as the payment source.

I was using a VPN btw.

nick101 · 02-09-2010, 06:36 AM

[QUOTE=wyndhamfan;780181

Frankly, it boggles the mind, and insults me quite a bit that these short-sighted publishers won't accept my money even when I beg them to take it. They're just driving desperate readers to resort to browsing in the Darknets!
[/QUOTE]

Like I said before it's because, behind the scenes, they're working to free the industry from the shackles of the capitalist model. They want you to have the books free, so they refuse to sell them to you, thus encouraging piracy and working for freedom by the back door.

It's the only explanation.

Or maybe they're just stupid.

No, that couldn't be it.

Pardoz · 02-09-2010, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabredog

Got the gift certificate but when I go to use it on my other account it wants to proceed as if I was buying the book with card or paypal. That ends the whole process as the country check fails.

The checkout does not use the balance on the gift certificate as the payment source.

I was using a VPN btw.

I'm afraid I'm out of ideas, then, other than "Don't shop at Diesel". Whenever I've tried to shop there their storefront/payment system has been broken, and they have a perfect track record of ignoring my emails and closing out my CS tickets unread, so I can't share solutions that've worked for me in the past.

sabredog · 02-09-2010, 07:44 AM

Yeah, I am rapidly coming to that conclusion.

I have never heard of a gift certificate not being used as the primary source of payment when the certificate number is entered at checkout.

TGS · 02-09-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by columbus

But they will not sell their ebooks to me, I am a British customer with British credit cards who happens to live elsewhere in Europe most of the time.

(Thought Hatchette were French)

I have the same problem - I'm a Brit living in Denmark - can I get ebooks in Denmark? Well, yes, a few, but they're in Danish. Can I get English ebooks - not on your life. Even English pbooks cost twice as much here - but at least you can get hold of them - through amazon.eu if from nowhere else.

As someone else said, in such circumstances we have to do what we have to do!

asjogren · 02-09-2010, 11:36 AM

Prohibition of popular products creates thriving black markets.

Finding and publishing work-arounds is one approach. And perhaps some of us can facilitate. But, it really is easier to find an illicit copy than go through the process of buying a legitimate copy through a deceitful process.

The idea of geographic restrictions for an electronically delivered service is a doomed idea. The industry is force fitting an archaic model on a new world.

The other thing we could do is suggest some minor changes. For example, one minor change to the eBook selling procedure could eliminate a bit of stupidity:
If the eBook being sold is geographically restricted from the country the buyer is in, then check the language of the book to the languages of the country the buyer is in. If they DON'T match then sell the book anyway.

As in the prior post, there will not be a big enough market for English language eBooks in Denmark to warrant market development. The same is true in Japan, Spain, The Netherlands, and Mexico - all places where prior posters have complained. eBooks particularly suit the ex-patriot community. There is NO market to protect. Don't encourage more black markets.

I know this is but a stop-gap measure. Should the industry accept this idea?

Rumpelteazer · 02-09-2010, 01:58 PM

Does anyone know if the giftcertificate trick works with Books on Board. I'd love to buy the Stieg Larsson trilogy but can't find it available in Europe as ebook(I'm in the Netherlands). I know it won't work with paypal (tried it) if I change my address to an American one because it checks the address on the paypal account.

I'd rather buy an ebook using a false address but paying for it than getting it from the darknet for free.

Thanks in advance.

Zetmolm · 02-09-2010, 02:19 PM

Using a false address is just as 'bad' as getting the booiks from the darknet. So why spend your money? And in the case of Stieg Larsson, the author's share of what you pay seems to go to the wrong person anyway.

polly · 02-09-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumpelteazer

Does anyone know if the giftcertificate trick works with Books on Board. I'd love to buy the Stieg Larsson trilogy but can't find it available in Europe as ebook(I'm in the Netherlands). I know it won't work with paypal (tried it) if I change my address to an American one because it checks the address on the paypal account.

I'd rather buy an ebook using a false address but paying for it than getting it from the darknet for free.

Thanks in advance.

When you sign up with BoB, tell them you're in America. Use Google checkout when you purchase. I don't think they use IP addresses at checkout, because they've never refused my purchases from Germany. I don't have any address or credit card on file with them. I don't think it's that deceitful to tell them you're in the US so you can buy books from them.

Rumpelteazer · 02-09-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by polly

When you sign up with BoB, tell them you're in America. Use Google checkout when you purchase. I don't think they use IP addresses at checkout, because they've never refused my purchases from Germany. I don't have any address or credit card on file with them. I don't think it's that deceitful to tell them you're in the US so you can buy books from them.

Unfortunately I can't use Google Checkout since I haven't got a creditcard, I like BoB because I can use Paypal. I can use my father's creditcard, but I'd rather not if I can avoid it.

As soon as I've slimmed down my to-be-read list I'll try getting a gift certificate for myself, if it doesn't work I can always use it for one of the other books on my wanted list.

HansTWN · 02-09-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zetmolm

Using a false address is just as 'bad' as getting the booiks from the darknet.

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02-09-2010, 05:33 AM	#93
wyndhamfan Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2010 Device: Sony Reader	sabredog, perhaps if you can't buy books from Diesel thanks to their super duper restrictions, you could try at other stores? I've had no problems buying from Books on Board (for now!) and Fictionwise. Frankly, it boggles the mind, and insults me quite a bit that these short-sighted publishers won't accept my money even when I beg them to take it. They're just driving desperate readers to resort to browsing in the Darknets! In my part of the world, piracy is such a way of life now because the producers of various products see it fit to restrict us perfectly legitimate customers from getting stuff. We're often treated like an afterthought; movies would come to us later, books - if we're lucky - would come a year after the release. But, ironically, piracy changed the cinemas and now we sometimes get movies earlier!

02-09-2010, 05:44 AM	#94
sabredog Geographically Restricted Posts: 2,630 Karma: 14933353 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Device: Sony PRS-T3, Kindle Voyage, iPad Air2, Nexus7v2	I will be waiting until Fictionwise releases the book in question, hopefully pre release soon. Unfortunately there is big tightening up of geo restrictions occurring that now make it next to impossible to pay for a wanted book. Darknet is looming I fear, which is unfortunate,

02-09-2010, 06:36 AM	#96
nick101 Groupie Posts: 190 Karma: 1248 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Milton Keynes UK Device: Sony PRS-600 Touch, iPhone	[QUOTE=wyndhamfan;780181 Frankly, it boggles the mind, and insults me quite a bit that these short-sighted publishers won't accept my money even when I beg them to take it. They're just driving desperate readers to resort to browsing in the Darknets! [/QUOTE] Like I said before it's because, behind the scenes, they're working to free the industry from the shackles of the capitalist model. They want you to have the books free, so they refuse to sell them to you, thus encouraging piracy and working for freedom by the back door. It's the only explanation. Or maybe they're just stupid. No, that couldn't be it.

02-09-2010, 07:44 AM	#98
sabredog Geographically Restricted Posts: 2,630 Karma: 14933353 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Device: Sony PRS-T3, Kindle Voyage, iPad Air2, Nexus7v2	Yeah, I am rapidly coming to that conclusion. I have never heard of a gift certificate not being used as the primary source of payment when the certificate number is entered at checkout.

02-09-2010, 11:36 AM	#100
asjogren Addict Posts: 266 Karma: 1378 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Seattle / San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico Device: Kindle & WiFi Nook & PocketBook IQ	Prohibition of popular products creates thriving black markets. Finding and publishing work-arounds is one approach. And perhaps some of us can facilitate. But, it really is easier to find an illicit copy than go through the process of buying a legitimate copy through a deceitful process. The idea of geographic restrictions for an electronically delivered service is a doomed idea. The industry is force fitting an archaic model on a new world. The other thing we could do is suggest some minor changes. For example, one minor change to the eBook selling procedure could eliminate a bit of stupidity: If the eBook being sold is geographically restricted from the country the buyer is in, then check the language of the book to the languages of the country the buyer is in. If they DON'T match then sell the book anyway. As in the prior post, there will not be a big enough market for English language eBooks in Denmark to warrant market development. The same is true in Japan, Spain, The Netherlands, and Mexico - all places where prior posters have complained. eBooks particularly suit the ex-patriot community. There is NO market to protect. Don't encourage more black markets. I know this is but a stop-gap measure. Should the industry accept this idea?

02-09-2010, 01:58 PM	#101
Rumpelteazer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,339 Karma: 27919658 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Utrecht, the Netherlands Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature Edition	Does anyone know if the giftcertificate trick works with Books on Board. I'd love to buy the Stieg Larsson trilogy but can't find it available in Europe as ebook(I'm in the Netherlands). I know it won't work with paypal (tried it) if I change my address to an American one because it checks the address on the paypal account. I'd rather buy an ebook using a false address but paying for it than getting it from the darknet for free. Thanks in advance.

02-09-2010, 02:19 PM	#102
Zetmolm Guru Posts: 615 Karma: 2362786 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: PocketBook Verse Pro Colour	Using a false address is just as 'bad' as getting the booiks from the darknet. So why spend your money? And in the case of Stieg Larsson, the author's share of what you pay seems to go to the wrong person anyway.

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