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Old 02-07-2010, 06:54 AM   #16
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Well, with the advancement in technology new gadgets have emerged. we are prone to DRM books. I prefer to read both (Paper & DRM).
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Old 02-07-2010, 06:56 AM   #17
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But, equally, paper books degrade with time. I've bought at least half a dozen different editions of "Lord of the Rings" because I've read it so often that they just fall to pieces after a few years. eBooks don't degrade.
Well, it is relatively easy to rebind a book. So books do not degrade so they become useless.
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Old 02-07-2010, 07:07 AM   #18
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QUESTION — What is the value of a book?

ANSWER — Whatever the monopoly holder says it is.


Now, if you had asked, What is the value of a book to ME? Well, don’t get me started…
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Old 02-07-2010, 07:09 AM   #19
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Well, it is relatively easy to rebind a book. So books do not degrade so they become useless.
Well, equally, you could say that it's relatively easy to remove DRM from an eBook. But the point is that the typical reader probably doesn't do either - rebind old paperbacks when the pages fall out, or strip DRM from an old eBook if they buy a new device. I don't regard either a paperback or a cheap eBook as a "lifetime investment", but as a few hours of entertainment that, in all probability (with a few exceptions) that I'll never read again.
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Old 02-07-2010, 07:10 AM   #20
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But, equally, paper books degrade with time. I've bought at least half a dozen different editions of "Lord of the Rings" because I've read it so often that they just fall to pieces after a few years. eBooks don't degrade.
Which will be an amazing feature once publishers produce print-worthy ebooks. I'd love to have decent PDFs of my books so that I could reprint and bind them when/if the first version goes bad. Not especially likely to happen, but fun to dream nonetheless.
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Old 02-07-2010, 07:52 AM   #21
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Well, equally, you could say that it's relatively easy to remove DRM from an eBook. But the point is that the typical reader probably doesn't do either - rebind old paperbacks when the pages fall out, or strip DRM from an old eBook if they buy a new device. I don't regard either a paperback or a cheap eBook as a "lifetime investment", but as a few hours of entertainment that, in all probability (with a few exceptions) that I'll never read again.
It is not easy it you want to be sure not to break any law when doing it or when obtaining the tools. I also do not belive that it will be easy to break a 50 year old DRM. The tools will have disappeared.

You are forgetting the case when buying a books and reading it 10 years later or so. This you have to do since books do not stay in print.
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Old 02-07-2010, 07:59 AM   #22
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It is not easy it you want to be sure not to break any law when doing it or when obtaining the tools. I also do not belive that it will be easy to break a 50 year old DRM. The tools will have disappeared.
All you have to do is take a short vacation in a jurisdiction where removing DRM from your own files is legal, and do your entire library while you're there. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting you from then importing those files to your own jurisdiction.
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:04 AM   #23
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All you have to do is take a short vacation in a jurisdiction where removing DRM from your own files is legal, and do your entire library while you're there. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting you from then importing those files to your own jurisdiction.
If you go to that much trouble you can take the vacation in jurisdiction where it is legal to download books and keept them.
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:11 AM   #24
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It is not easy it you want to be sure not to break any law when doing it or when obtaining the tools. I also do not belive that it will be easy to break a 50 year old DRM. The tools will have disappeared.

You are forgetting the case when buying a books and reading it 10 years later or so. This you have to do since books do not stay in print.
Do you honestly think anyone will ever be prosecuted for removing DRM for personal use? And in regards to the issue of whether tools will be available in 50 years time, the solution is easy: remove DRM now and back-up your files.

There are good reasons to oppose DRM, such as the fact that many other customers are ignorant of it and they might be hurt. But anyone who knows what DRM is is likely capable of removing it and, IMO, should just do so and stop whining that it is restricting their use.
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:22 AM   #25
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Do you honestly think anyone will ever be prosecuted for removing DRM for personal use? And in regards to the issue of whether tools will be available in 50 years time, the solution is easy: remove DRM now and back-up your files.

There are good reasons to oppose DRM, such as the fact that many other customers are ignorant of it and they might be hurt. But anyone who knows what DRM is is likely capable of removing it and, IMO, should just do so and stop whining that it is restricting their use.
No, but HarryT usually wants to follow the laws so I was surprised by his argument.

I think everybody that buy a DRM infested book is showing support for the system and prolongs the use of DRM. So personally the question about removing DRM never occur.

Since you think it is easy to remove all DRM please tell us how to remove the Sony lrx DRM.
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:26 AM   #26
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No, but HarryT usually wants to follow the laws so I was surprised by his argument.
I have no problem with removal DRM for personal use.

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Since you think it is easy to remove all DRM please tell us how to remove the Sony lrx DRM.
Re-download it from the Sony store. It will now be in ePub format, from which DRM can be removed.
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Since you think it is easy to remove all DRM please tell us how to remove the Sony lrx DRM.
Don't get me wrong, I think buying ebooks with DRM that hasn't been cracked is foolish. Thankfully all the major DRM schemes can now be removed.
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I think everybody that buy a DRM infested book is showing support for the system and prolongs the use of DRM....
Downloaded MP3's are no longer DRMed. Ebooks will eventually get that way too.

I have no problem with buying a DRMed book at a price that shows its much reduced value. IF there is something that I just must have.

But somehow I seemed to have bought far more books than I can read in a year. The DRMed stuff can wait until it is no longer DRMed.
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Downloaded MP3's are no longer DRMed. Ebooks will eventually get that way too.
The MP3 format does not, and never has, supported DRM. The DRM-protected music files were generally either in Apple's "AAC" format, or Microsoft's "WMA" format, both of which do support DRM.
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No, but HarryT usually wants to follow the laws so I was surprised by his argument.

I think everybody that buy a DRM infested book is showing support for the system and prolongs the use of DRM. So personally the question about removing DRM never occur.

Since you think it is easy to remove all DRM please tell us how to remove the Sony lrx DRM.
Here's an interesting take on following laws just because they're on the books.

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle556-20100207-05.html
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