Gen3 Gen 3 Update to 1.5 - Page 4

tompe · 01-14-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

ePub support is pretty "solid" as it is now, Bob.

Well, no. A lot of ePub book looks dreaful with no top margin. or the letter ar cut by the top border. Not solid at all having 0 as default margin and no possibility to change it.

EowynCarter · 01-15-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Well, no. A lot of ePub book looks dreaful with no top margin. or the letter ar cut by the top border. Not solid at all having 0 as default margin and no possibility to change it.

As far as top margin is conserned, the opus follows what is said on the ePub.

Well, problem is, e-readers manufacturers would need to agree to do all the same thing. Either follows the ePub (Then publishers set them), either set thier own margin (then pubishers have to set a "zero" on thier own.)
Until that is done, we'll find having margin too small, or too large.

HarryT · 01-15-2010, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Well, no. A lot of ePub book looks dreaful with no top margin. or the letter ar cut by the top border. Not solid at all having 0 as default margin and no possibility to change it.

That's a problem with the book, not with the device. My ePub books don't have that problem. You can't blame the device for problems with the book.

tompe · 01-15-2010, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

That's a problem with the book, not with the device. My ePub books don't have that problem. You can't blame the device for problems with the book.

No, it is not. It is perfectly legal to not specify a @page in your ePub file. And a lot of ePub files is that way.

You claimed that it was a good ePub reader ("solid"). But you can buy books that is displayed wrongly. So it is not a "solid" ePub reader since it does not handle a lot of the books you can buy. PB360 which can adjust margins is a "solid" ePub reader with regard to this.

tompe · 01-15-2010, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

As far as top margin is conserned, the opus follows what is said on the ePub.

The ePub standard (CSS) does not specify how bit the "top frame" should be. It is up to the implementation to specify this. The @page command only specify the margins relative to the "top fram". The standard does not seem to specify which margins to choose if a @page is not used.

Krystian Galaj · 01-15-2010, 08:25 AM

Well, if it was possible to specify a margin in such case, set it to the setting you like, save it somewhere to persist between reboots, and this setting would be used by Cybook when the book didn't have its own setting, I'm sure it would be an improvement in Cybook software.

HarryT · 01-15-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

No, it is not. It is perfectly legal to not specify a @page in your ePub file. And a lot of ePub files is that way.

You claimed that it was a good ePub reader ("solid"). But you can buy books that is displayed wrongly. So it is not a "solid" ePub reader since it does not handle a lot of the books you can buy. PB360 which can adjust margins is a "solid" ePub reader with regard to this.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you. If the book has margin problems, that's a problem with the book. You may want the reading device to be able to adjust the margins, but you can't claim that it's a "fault" with it that it doesn't do so. It certainly isn't a requirement of the ePub specification that a device should have that capability.

tompe · 01-15-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you. If the book has margin problems, that's a problem with the book. You may want the reading device to be able to adjust the margins, but you can't claim that it's a "fault" with it that it doesn't do so. It certainly isn't a requirement of the ePub specification that a device should have that capability.

It is not a requirement that it should show all text on a page either. Or that the text should be readable.

I think I gave this example to show that the ePub implementation was not "solid" and that you are overselling it. When comparing with PB360 it would be better to state exactly what is better so that people can make an informed choice.

For me that I have to fix the ePub books manually because of the margins is a very big disadvantage. Other people might not care about it.

Ortep · 01-15-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

That's a problem with the book, not with the device. My ePub books don't have that problem. You can't blame the device for problems with the book.

Well...Yes and no

I can have a good looking TXT, RTF, HTML, DOC or whatever format book and convert it to Mobi simply by dragging an dropping it on MobiCreator. If it looks good on several readers, there is no problem with the book or the reader.
When I convert the book to ePub fom the original files or from Mobi and it looks bad than there is a problem. And I don't care if the ePub format asks for a CSS that populated with all kind of cryptic commands. I don't need it in any other format. So ePub is/creates the problem for me.

So: Yes you are correct the book is not created according to ePub rules
But why should I care? I didn't ask for another not compatible format that has defaults that look bad so I have to tweak each file te make it look better.

BTW the other way around (ePub->Mobi) works fine.

HarryT · 01-15-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ortep

Well...Yes and no

I can have a good looking TXT, RTF, HTML, DOC or whatever format book and convert it to Mobi simply by dragging an dropping it on MobiCreator. If it looks good on several readers, there is no problem with the book or the reader.
When I convert the book to ePub fom the original files or from Mobi and it looks bad than there is a problem.

How are you doing your ePub conversion? If you're using Calibre, then you can simply specify the margins you want as the default for your device (the "Page Layout" tab under "Conversions").

Jellby · 01-15-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you. If the book has margin problems, that's a problem with the book. You may want the reading device to be able to adjust the margins, but you can't claim that it's a "fault" with it that it doesn't do so.

It's a problem with the device if it does not have sensible default settings, and a zero top margin is not the most sensible choice, especially when it does have non-zero side margins. Additionally, the way to override the default top/bottom margins and side margins is different, and this inconsistency is a problem too (with @page rules you can add margins in all four edges, but to remove the default side margins you need a <body> element with a class).

I consider the top margin issue equivalent to what would be if the device's default font had some important characters missing (accented letters, dashes...) and provided no way for the user to choose another font (but still worked with embedded fonts). You could still say it was a problem of the book if it didn't include an embedded font with all needed characters.

Ortep · 01-15-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

How are you doing your ePub conversion? If you're using Calibre, then you can simply specify the margins you want as the default for your device (the "Page Layout" tab under "Conversions").

I was using Calibre. But on the tab you mention I cannot specify the output profile for my Cybook. That means, I can select the Cybook, but nothing can be changed.

I can specify the Input??? profile for a Cybook and there the margins are defined as 5.0 pt. But even if the input profile is the correct choise for the output, it is bad practice because in that case I will be creating an book that is optimised for a specific device. And I do get books with no margins at all. Not all of them but some of them.

But in any case, ePub is more of a hassle and I lose my dictionaries. As long as it is not as simple to use as Mobi I have no reason to switch

Multireader · 01-15-2010, 02:46 PM

Gen 3. Version 1.5 Build 1093. Nigh on 300 books. No sd card.

Folder, dictionaries and fonts all working as I would like.

pdf. Rotate 90 degrees and don my reading glasses, so okay after a fashion.

Love the (fairly) rapid page flip facility.

Battery life indicator now seems unreliable. Stays at 100% for days then suddenly goes to zero or ? over a few hours and I get the frozen display.
Actual battery life seems no better nor worse than before.

I'll give Bookeen an 8/10

Edit: Make that 7/10. See thread "Problem with 1.5?"

GeoffC · 01-24-2010, 06:15 AM

sod it ----

i've had a "freeze"...

crAss · 02-06-2010, 08:11 AM

Oh well, I upgraded to v.1.5. I have a 512 MB model with 200 MHz processor. Before the upgrade the only problem I had with the device was that one out of 20-30 boots the device froze and I had to reset it using the button on the back. 90% of the ebooks I have are in pdf format. Most of these can be character recognizable so I use mobipocket creator which is still the best software to remove headers and footers. For the rest pdfs I just use papercrop (https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31677).
If I happen to come across an epub ebook I just convert it with callibre to mobi which works almost flawlessly. So in a way using the mobi firmware was the only way to go for me. After reading about 2000 pages with the new firmware I can say:
- There has not been even one single freeze while booting
- The folders work like a charm
- The battery seems to last a bit longer
- The page flips appear to be a bit faster
- Most importantly I have not come across a single thing that annoys me (I have read about the various bugs, but I use only one font in one size so I never use the buttons on the side and I add/delete ebooks through windows explorer on the pc so I do not care about the delete button).
To conclude I think that cybook gen3 is one of the best gadgets I have ever bought and I cannot find a single reason for me to actually think of buying a newer/better model. It does what it is supposed to do perfectly.
I will probably buy a new reader in 1-2 years at A4 size with a colour e-ink screen to read magazines, but still I cannot think of a single extra I would need from an ebook reader of this generation to read paperbacks (I do not think we are going to get flexible/foldable screens before another 5 years or so)
Bookeen has been SLOWER THAN A SNAIL but I have to grant them that they are one of the few that actually care about their customers. They offered us the option to go for epub support should we want it (I am sure that that firmware is going to get the bug fixes it needs in the future). It was released in October 2007 and it seems that it will be more than adequate for more than 5 years from its release date. I do not know many other electronic gadgets with that big of a lifespan nowadays.

To conclude I am a very happy user! Keep on reading!..

01-15-2010, 02:46 PM	#58
Multireader Junior? I'm a grandfather Posts: 10 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK & North Africa Device: Cybook Gen3	V 1.5 Gen 3. Version 1.5 Build 1093. Nigh on 300 books. No sd card. Folder, dictionaries and fonts all working as I would like. pdf. Rotate 90 degrees and don my reading glasses, so okay after a fashion. Love the (fairly) rapid page flip facility. Battery life indicator now seems unreliable. Stays at 100% for days then suddenly goes to zero or ? over a few hours and I get the frozen display. Actual battery life seems no better nor worse than before. I'll give Bookeen an 8/10 Edit: Make that 7/10. See thread "Problem with 1.5?" Last edited by Multireader; 01-19-2010 at 12:55 AM.

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Krystian Galaj Guru Posts: 820 Karma: 11012 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Warsaw, Poland Device: Bookeen Cybook	Well, if it was possible to specify a margin in such case, set it to the setting you like, save it somewhere to persist between reboots, and this setting would be used by Cybook when the book didn't have its own setting, I'm sure it would be an improvement in Cybook software.

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02-06-2010, 08:11 AM	#60
crAss Connoisseur Posts: 68 Karma: 20 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens, Greece Device: Cybook Gen3	Oh well, I upgraded to v.1.5. I have a 512 MB model with 200 MHz processor. Before the upgrade the only problem I had with the device was that one out of 20-30 boots the device froze and I had to reset it using the button on the back. 90% of the ebooks I have are in pdf format. Most of these can be character recognizable so I use mobipocket creator which is still the best software to remove headers and footers. For the rest pdfs I just use papercrop (https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31677). If I happen to come across an epub ebook I just convert it with callibre to mobi which works almost flawlessly. So in a way using the mobi firmware was the only way to go for me. After reading about 2000 pages with the new firmware I can say: - There has not been even one single freeze while booting - The folders work like a charm - The battery seems to last a bit longer - The page flips appear to be a bit faster - Most importantly I have not come across a single thing that annoys me (I have read about the various bugs, but I use only one font in one size so I never use the buttons on the side and I add/delete ebooks through windows explorer on the pc so I do not care about the delete button). To conclude I think that cybook gen3 is one of the best gadgets I have ever bought and I cannot find a single reason for me to actually think of buying a newer/better model. It does what it is supposed to do perfectly. I will probably buy a new reader in 1-2 years at A4 size with a colour e-ink screen to read magazines, but still I cannot think of a single extra I would need from an ebook reader of this generation to read paperbacks (I do not think we are going to get flexible/foldable screens before another 5 years or so) Bookeen has been SLOWER THAN A SNAIL but I have to grant them that they are one of the few that actually care about their customers. They offered us the option to go for epub support should we want it (I am sure that that firmware is going to get the bug fixes it needs in the future). It was released in October 2007 and it seems that it will be more than adequate for more than 5 years from its release date. I do not know many other electronic gadgets with that big of a lifespan nowadays. To conclude I am a very happy user! Keep on reading!..