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I won't buy from them at all. Total boycott! |
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71 | 16.75% |
I won't buy from them at all and I will get their stuff from the darknets. |
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90 | 21.23% |
I won't buy from them at all and I will get their stuff through other legal means. |
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22 | 5.19% |
I won't buy at the higher price but I will wait some months for the price drop. |
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131 | 30.90% |
I'll buy books I'm eagerly anticipating at the higher price but wait for other stuff. |
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56 | 13.21% |
I'll buy whatever I feel like. The higher price doesn't matter to me. |
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38 | 8.96% |
Other. (Please explain.) |
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16 | 3.77% |
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It's producing a book for sale without permission of the copyright holder that is illegal; not simply selling a book.
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But despite all this, I get the impression from your posts (although I could of course be wrong) that various things that I would think are OK, you would class as criminal (i.e. very naughty even if legal). In particular, would you think it morally repugnant to copy a book for which you own a physical copy? or one where the author was long dead (but in copyright) - say The House at Pooh Corner? Surely, if we don't give a huff about the law, we should examine our moral compass in each case, and act accordingly, legal or not? |
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As the copyright holder, you do not own the digital file that was copied. You own the copyright; that is not the same thing. Absent some legal chicanery to take the actual copyright away from you, you haven't had lost anything. |
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Far from nonsense actually. It a matter of understanding the differences in the format is all. Most clearly do not understand. |
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Again, so long as no one tries to take the actual copyright away from you, you have lost nothing.
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Wrong. I have not authorized you to have my property or do anything with it, I have lost my rights. You can't say I have not been harmed. It is not your right to posses my property without my permission. |
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If it's too expensive or DRM-ridden, I'll keep on buying second hand. Wise up, publishers.
I'm certainly not going to condem a $15 price point per-se, I've paid more for technical manuals and I paid $15 for the eARC of Mission of Honor yesterday... |
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Again, the individual files do not belong to you. You own the copyright. So long as you still own the copyright, you have lost no property.
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There is no single moral compass for society, even if there is a broad consensus on some issues such as murder being bad, for example. As I said, my view of the consensus on making copies for personal use is that it is not seen as a terrible thing - a bit naughty at worst. Theft, on the other hand, is seen in a completely different light. Just look at the market for copying vinyl onto cassette. You could buy twin deck machines designed for copying on every high street - most hifi aimed at the mass market had twin cassettes as standard. Blank tapes were sold everywhere - often in blocks of 5 etc. My point is that it was accepted as normal, even expected, that people would copy music and swap albums etc., and this was actively encouraged by making it easy to purchase the means to do so. So, I would claim that the social consensus was that such copying was not a terrible thing. This is completely different to the consensus on physical theft. You can't have it all ways. Either it's a matter of the law, or it's a social consensus, or it's a personal issue. If it's "what is right within society", I'd contend that copying is largely socially acceptable. |
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2) Authors don't get royalties for most of what I read in print, which tends heavily towards second-hand books. Are you claiming I'm immoral for having those? Quote:
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