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Old 01-18-2010, 11:50 AM   #121
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I just got back from watching 'Avatar' 3D - and I share the opinions of those who say the story is pretty weak (to put it mildly).

Some of the 3D effects were impressive; but others were less so. Many scenes just looked like layers of flats - and the patchiness of the effects (and weak story) stopped me getting immersed in the world of the film.

And, boy was it long! I left just before the end, partly because I was bored, and partly because I was scared it would descend into the sort of mawkish mush which ends a lot of similar films.

3D has potential, but I won't be going to another 3D film any time soon. I'd still rather watch DVDs at home - it's a more pleasant viewing experience than attending my local flea pit.

On the recommendations front, one fabulous film I watched recently was the 1931 version of 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' - stunning!

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Old 01-18-2010, 11:55 AM   #122
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Hmm... I didn't find Avatar's CGI "jarring," and I'm not sure what you mean by the "silver sheen." Certainly CGI is still not perfect when mixed with live action, and I had no problem distinguishing one from the other, but I had no trouble suspending my disbelief and just enjoying the ride (which may explain why I didn't notice a "silver sheen"). In the same way, I can enjoy purely CGI movies like The Incredibles, or a more character-driven story like Solaris or Minority Report. Obviously, if you're not into SF or fantasy, these won't work for you no matter how they're made.
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Old 01-18-2010, 12:19 PM   #123
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Hmm... I didn't find Avatar's CGI "jarring," and I'm not sure what you mean by the "silver sheen." Certainly CGI is still not perfect when mixed with live action, and I had no problem distinguishing one from the other, but I had no trouble suspending my disbelief and just enjoying the ride (which may explain why I didn't notice a "silver sheen"). In the same way, I can enjoy purely CGI movies like The Incredibles, or a more character-driven story like Solaris or Minority Report. Obviously, if you're not into SF or fantasy, these won't work for you no matter how they're made.
Before the CGI boom you could tell a particular decade of a film from the 'grain' of the film stock being viewed (that and the kind of colour or black and white processing done). The more we move into digital, that grain is gone, replaced in many instances by an artificial grain to make it look more 'film like'. This can give it the silver look, but it's actually more down to an effect called 'bloom' which is used extensively in video games (hence why a lot of people compared Avatar to a video game). It's a kind of low-level glow around everything, silver or white. CGI fails miserably in this area, it hasn't yet managed to replicate real-world dirt like the best model makers did on miniature scales with earlier films.
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Old 01-18-2010, 12:48 PM   #124
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I'm not a big 'action sci-fi' person and I can't remember an outright Fantasy that I enjoyed. And this, if everyone is honest, isn't sci-fi, it's a fantasy film.
ah-ha!!!! now we come to the root of the problem! I loathe and detest all Adam Sandler, (most) Jim Carrey, Jack Black and so on films. just having the images pass my eyeballs makes me feel that some of my IQ is swirling down a toilet drain. as a result... I JUST DON'T GO. I don't ponder, wonder or seek out the genre or the actors. when people are discussing these types of films, it is pottybreak time for me, or perhaps time for me to just move on down the road. I know I will not like them, so why inflict them upon myself?

On the other hand I LOVE action adventure, scifi, *most* fantasy and will go to these movies. when ALIENS came out I was still an active duty Army She Beast and wanted to grow up to be just like Ripley!

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Before the CGI boom you could tell a particular decade of a film from the 'grain' of the film stock being viewed (that and the kind of colour or black and white processing done). The more we move into digital, that grain is gone, replaced in many instances by an artificial grain to make it look more 'film like'. This can give it the silver look, but it's actually more down to an effect called 'bloom' which is used extensively in video games (hence why a lot of people compared Avatar to a video game). It's a kind of low-level glow around everything, silver or white. CGI fails miserably in this area, it hasn't yet managed to replicate real-world dirt like the best model makers did on miniature scales with earlier films.
see... I think what you are running into is that you probably are too immersed with knowing the hows, whys, wherefores and so ons of the making of the movie. in most films we need some child like suspension of belief, and you are too down with nitty gritty, knowing how things are done to relax and enjoy the show.

I wonder how many people thought the colors in the Wizard of Oz were too garrish and would distract from the enjoyment of the film?

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Old 01-18-2010, 12:54 PM   #125
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Saw IT'S COMPLICATED this weekend, mostly because Streep is always awesome - and found it surprisingly funny. The audience laughed more during this film than I've heard in a long time. I give Alec Baldwin a lot of credit for doing the nude scenes, and Streep makes a great stoner!
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Old 01-18-2010, 12:55 PM   #126
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I'm not a big 'action sci-fi' person and I can't remember an outright Fantasy that I enjoyed. And this, if everyone is honest, isn't sci-fi, it's a fantasy film.

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ah-ha!!!! now we come to the root of the problem! I loathe and detest all Adam Sandler, (most) Jim Carrey, Jack Black and so on films. just having the images pass my eyeballs makes me feel that some of my IQ is swirling down a toilet drain. as a result... I JUST DON'T GO. I don't ponder, wonder or seek out the genre or the actors. when people are discussing these types of films, it is pottybreak time for me, or perhaps time for me to just move on down the road. I know I will not like them, so why inflict them upon myself?

On the other hand I LOVE action adventure, scifi, *most* fantasy and will go to these movies. when ALIENS came out I was still an active duty Army She Beast and wanted to grow up to be just like Ripley!



see... I think what you are running into is that you probably are too immersed with knowing the hows, whys, wherefores and so ons of the making of the movie. in most films we need some child like suspension of belief, and you are too down with nitty gritty, knowing how things are done to relax and enjoy the show.

I wonder how many people thought the colors in the Wizard of Oz were too garrish and would distract from the enjoyment of the film?
Well, maybe, I do have two separate degrees in film, both a practical one in design and a theory one. :0

Back to recommendations and this is one I love with a passion bordering on insanity - John Carpenter's Big Trouble in Little China.

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Saw two good ones this weekend...

"The Hurt Locker"...A well done war film with very little, if any, political angle...

And, "Moon"...Which is a a very nice little sci-fi...
No huge FX...just a nice story done on an independent budget...

Now "Big Trouble in Little China" is a film I've never been able to finish and have no clue why people like it.
Probably the one John Carpenter film I just cannot stand...

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Old 01-18-2010, 01:39 PM   #128
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Saw two good ones this weekend...

"The Hurt Locker"...A well done war film with very little, if any, political angle...

And, "Moon"...Which is a a very nice little sci-fi...
No huge FX...just a nice story done on an independent budget...

Now "Big Trouble in Little China" is a film I've never been able to finish and have no clue why people like it.
Probably the one John Carpenter film I just cannot stand...
Not even if I showed you the theme tune video? With John Carpenter singing and Nick Castle on keyboards?

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Old 01-18-2010, 07:09 PM   #129
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Well, maybe, I do have two separate degrees in film, both a practical one in design and a theory one. :0

Back to recommendations and this is one I love with a passion bordering on insanity - John Carpenter's Big Trouble in Little China.

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A movie filled to brim with loudly-drawn caricatures rather than characters...it's magnificent (to me).

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Old 01-19-2010, 10:44 AM   #130
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I have these two lined up for this week (re-watches)

Jeux Interdits, directed by René Clément

Harrowing tale of two children and the horrors of war.



The Ice Storm, directed by Ang Lee



Brilliant, evocataive movie based upon a so-so novel. The scene on the bicycle (although only short and without any words) has inspired more than one of my stories.

Also this week:

The Bad Sleep Well, Directed by Akira Kurosowa
Tokyo Story, Directed by Yasujiro Ozu
The Bicycle Thieves, Directed by Vitorria De Sica
Z, Directed by Costa Gavras
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QUESTION: Is there a Divine Comedy movie?

Has anyone ever made a movie of Dante's Divine Comedy? It seems tailor-made for today's technology. Although I could never see it attaining mass appeal if they retained all the poetry of the original, the book could easily, IMHO, be converted into a winning screenplay.

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Old 01-26-2010, 09:35 PM   #133
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"Avatar" has surpassed "Titanic" as the highest-grossing movie worldwide, giving director James Cameron a remarkable double a week before his sci-fi spectacular is expected to rack up a slew of Oscar nominations.
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Well, arglebargle. I've carefully avoided exposing my taste(s) in film in this thread as long as I can. A sampling of things most of you most likely have never seen (in no particular order)

Ten Canoes:


Hwal/The Bow:


Naisu no Mori (don't worry-- the movie makes total sense with subtitles!)



Cha no aji/The Taste of Tea


The REAL "My Sassy Girl"-- not the Elisha Cuthbert pool of diarrhea:


Something lighter and more action-packed? Okay, how about Jene Reno and Natalie Portman in Leon (the real "Leon" cut, not the hacked-up "The Professional" one)


or Jene Reno and Steven Seagal's daughter (yes, that's Stephen Seagal's daughter) in Wasabi


or a creature feature in Gwoemul/The Host


or maybe this
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Well, arglebargle. I've carefully avoided exposing my taste(s) in film in this thread as long as I can. A sampling of things most of you most likely have never seen (in no particular order)

Ten Canoes:


[...]
I still haven't seen Ten Canoes, and I got it as a pressie for Chrissie, so I've no excuse. As it's a recommendation thread, I assume you liked it, right?

Also, I love Jean Reno and Natalie Portman. So many movies (I haven't seen)...

Cheers,
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