Onyx Boox 60 - first impressions - Page 13

carminis · 01-11-2010, 08:40 AM

ok, so either one can reach the stylus or the wifi switch then...

well, as soon as the boox hits the market (actually more than at the moment), there will be a lot more and maybe more mature stuff for it...

Dulin's Books · 01-11-2010, 07:42 PM

Hi all. Sorry I havent been on the last day but i had some traveling and sleeping to do

I don't ship to most of Europe because there are already resellers available for Europeans like member Klein Nijenhuis of www.elektronischlesen.de . I have no formal agreement not to but they are already paying the fees etc to import them there and I think you'd be better served by someone in Europe.

I am shipping to the UK because i have had some customers from there in the past and would not like to cut them off in the future. I also ship to most otehr coutnries around the world unless there is a local reseller.

I don't have any of the black covers currently but I talked to Onyx about them on Saturday and I will be getting some for the people who ask or have already asked. The multi-color covers and devices will be available later in the year.

I spent the whole weekend using my Boox at for my trip to CES. Its a fabulous device. I'll talk more about it later this evening. I have to go pick up my son from school

m-reader · 01-12-2010, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

I spent the whole weekend using my Boox at for my trip to CES. Its a fabulous device. I'll talk more about it later this evening. I have to go pick up my son from school

Nice one

. Hopefully your business will do well so that by next CES you'll be able to send your chauffeur to do the school run

A quick question regarding the covers. I know the default cover is included in the price of the device and for all it's worth it looks good.
Are you partnering with anyone or do you know anyone selling "premium" quality covers? I used to have a really good one for my Iliad (paid 100 AUD for it), and it was well worth the money.

Cheers

m-reader

bremler · 01-12-2010, 08:10 AM

Can you annotate epubs with the stylus?
What's the music quality like?
Is the battery life really only 4 days? Is there a model for those who don't want wifi?
Does it come in black?

Thankyou...

italianReader · 01-12-2010, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klein Nijenhuis

On the website you can see whats include the package. Boox, usb cable, adapter, warranty, quick manual. Furthermore you will get the Boox installed with the new firmware and the big manual and a description of how to install the dictionary will be send by email.

The warranty is free within one year after purchase. It doesnt inlcude non-artificial failures.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klein Nijenhuis

Yes thats true. Its a leather case, available in white and black. You can look at this video, there you can see the leather case.

so...is it included in the box or not?

Thank you for the answer...

luag · 01-12-2010, 10:17 AM

I just bought one, so I guess I can help answering some questions

but please correct me if I'm wrong.

Can you annotate epubs with the stylus?
- Yes you can

What's the music quality like?
- It's pretty good.

Does it come in black?
- From what I know, boox is only available in white. But different colors for its leather case are available.

so...is it included in the box or not?
- One leather case is included.

GyGeek · 01-12-2010, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bremler

Is there a model for those who don't want wifi?

There is a switch to turn the wifi off. Not sure if they sell one without wifi, and whether it would be cheaper.

tommik · 01-12-2010, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bremler

Is the battery life really only 4 days?
(...)
Does it come in black?

It depends on how you use it. After my last charging, the battery worked one week. But for 3 days all the time wifi was switched on. And I used it few (2-5) hours a day reading pdf and using stylus for making countless notes. So it is almost impossible that baterry life is only 4 days.
It was so before first released firmware. Now this problem is resolved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeOnyx

But the new colors are lime green, dark green, neon blue, hot pink, bright red, and black.

Dulin's Books · 01-12-2010, 01:43 PM

Ok I will get to the questions in just a moment but I have to talk about my experience with the Boox 60 this past weekend.

I had explored it before of course and read from it frequently. I tried all the functions before I decided to add it to my store. However, this weekend I decided that I would see how much use I could get out of it for CES.

In order to make the most of my limited time at CES I decided to make use of a feature that CES provides on its website called MYCES. It is like a trip planner- you can search through the companies who are attending and add them to your schedule. It includes the name of the company and where they are located etc. I did this Wednesday night and transferred a pdf version to the Boox.

Thursday I realized there were some things I hadn’t added that I wanted to see. Instead of redo-ing the PDF, I simply used the stylus to write them in. I found the best way to do this is to zoom in first then make the notes then zoom back out. Now the notes are the same size as the text in the pdf

Thursday night I also put the html of my flight info on the Boox. I used that to check in and get my boarding pass Friday with no problems. I also put in 4 issues of Ray Gun Revival for reading in route.

I read most of the flight except for the beginning and end when electronic devices have to be off.

I was staying with a relative so had easy access to wifi. Friday night after reading for a bit I decided to do some web surfing using the Webkit browser to see if I could find some things I wanted to do if I had time Saturday night. I spent 2 hours surfing the net using the Boox in landscape mode. Not only did I read up on things to do in Vegas but I also read MobileRead to see what Nate had been up to, rx8club.com to see what the vegas RX-8 crowd was up to(I’m senior admin at that forum) and checked my Gmail.

I could sign in to all of these places but because the browser doesn’t do JavaScript, I couldn’t make any replies. Navigating was pretty easy on the sites. You can click links to go to next pages etc and use a swipe motion of the stylus to scroll up and down. I was surprised how well scrolling actually works. I was shocked to see that animated objects on the various pages I looked at worked very well. Advertising banners and other animated gifs seemed to work just as normal and quite fast. I’ll be trying to get some video to show what I mean later.

There is a feature of the browser in the menu where you can select “home” but what it actually does it take you to a screen where it shows the last 4 pages you’ve been to. I used that to get back to Google when I was done at one site and wanted to go somewhere else. Some pages were really small but you can zoom just as with PDFs and you can even change fonts if you want. Zooming made it easier to click links.

Saturday I made some more notes on my plan for the day and headed out for CES. I took only the Boox, my PocketBook 360(which was in my front pocket) and my empty laptop bag for carrying anything I picked up during the day. Oh, my phone of course. I had business cards tucked in the pocket of the Boox cover to handout.

The rest of the day was spent checking the My CES plan, heading to a booth, making notes using the note ap of the Boox, checking off that booth in my plan and then heading to the next one. Many times I had people ask me about it and comment that I was the only person they had seen actually USING an ereader at the show.

Having it and the PB360 with me made it very easy to talk with the various manufacturers about their devices and to compare/contrast design and functionality. At the Samsung booth, I had a nice chat with a professor from Stanford. He was looking for devices that he might be able to use in the classroom for PDF annotating etc. I ended up spending time showing him how I was using it and talking about Wacom vs. resistive vs. capacitive while the Samsung folks replaced their 9.7 inch device that had failed for some reason.

At the Que booth, I spoke with them for a while and showed how I was using the Boox for the show. I hope I impressed them enough with the stylus “journal writing” that they quickly add that function to the Que. I also hope I impressed them enough to allow me to sell it in a B2B capacity here in the Portland area. I can see many potential customers that will not be reached by simply sticking it in B&N.

One thing I would like to see with the Boox is the ability to bring up the key board more often. It pops up mainly when starting the wifi and in the browser so you can do things like sign it. It would be nice to be able to use it for notes when you want to or in lieu of the stylus if you happen to lose it.

So, Saturday evening after spending some time at the Bellagio it was back to the house. I spent about 20 minutes on line reading some posts about CES then called it a night. Used my itinerary again on Sunday to check in and read all the way home. I hadn’t charged the Boox since THURSDAY and still had 1 bar on the battery scale. I used the wifi for about 2 ½ hours all told plus used it for reading, note taking most of the weekend and quite a bit of time showing others how it worked.

I think the device got a good workout and proved to me how useful it really can be to have so many features. Battery life was above my expectations using the wifi so much and I’m very happy I decided not to lug the laptop around. Of course, many people could do everything I did with some kind of smart phone but I really liked using the (comparatively) big screen more so than I ever did when I had a blackberry.

All in all a very successful outing with the Boox and it didn't let me down once.

-Charlie

Dulin's Books · 01-12-2010, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m-reader

Are you partnering with anyone or do you know anyone selling "premium" quality covers? I used to have a really good one for my Iliad (paid 100 AUD for it), and it was well worth the money.

Cheers

m-reader

I meant to spend some time with M-edge to talk about retailing some of their covers and possibly other covers for the Boox and 360. When I went by there they were swamped and I never made it back. I will talk with them soon about the possibilities.

I hope to have the black covers pretty soon for those that want them.

-Charlie

carminis · 01-12-2010, 02:38 PM

hi guys.

just saw pics from boox-readers in black, red, green, blue and hot-pink - photo taken at ces... will these be available soon? in europe???

Klein Nijenhuis · 01-12-2010, 03:39 PM

I also saw them. I asked Onyx and they told me that it will be available around Q3 this year. We will have to wait for it I guess.

luag · 01-12-2010, 09:23 PM

@Dulin's Books: Great read, thanks for sharing. Now I get a better understanding of what my Boox is really capable of

m-reader · 01-13-2010, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

I meant to spend some time with M-edge to talk about retailing some of their covers and possibly other covers for the Boox and 360. When I went by there they were swamped and I never made it back. I will talk with them soon about the possibilities.

I hope to have the black covers pretty soon for those that want them.

-Charlie

Thanks Charlie, please us me posted when you have any updates.
Great job with your posts by the way, it's always good to read about "real life" experience that people can relate to.

PS: Any ideas Onyx fits into this case: http://www.extremeinkjet.com/BookArm...rmordelta6.htm? It says it should fit most 6" readers. Also looks pretty good!

GyGeek · 01-13-2010, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m-reader

PS: Any ideas Onyx fits into this case: http://www.extremeinkjet.com/BookArm...rmordelta6.htm? It says it should fit most 6" readers. Also looks pretty good!

The Boox is about 3/4 to 1 inch longer than the Sony used in the video on the website you link to. The width is the same.

01-12-2010, 01:43 PM	#189
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	Ok I will get to the questions in just a moment but I have to talk about my experience with the Boox 60 this past weekend. I had explored it before of course and read from it frequently. I tried all the functions before I decided to add it to my store. However, this weekend I decided that I would see how much use I could get out of it for CES. In order to make the most of my limited time at CES I decided to make use of a feature that CES provides on its website called MYCES. It is like a trip planner- you can search through the companies who are attending and add them to your schedule. It includes the name of the company and where they are located etc. I did this Wednesday night and transferred a pdf version to the Boox. Thursday I realized there were some things I hadn’t added that I wanted to see. Instead of redo-ing the PDF, I simply used the stylus to write them in. I found the best way to do this is to zoom in first then make the notes then zoom back out. Now the notes are the same size as the text in the pdf Thursday night I also put the html of my flight info on the Boox. I used that to check in and get my boarding pass Friday with no problems. I also put in 4 issues of Ray Gun Revival for reading in route. I read most of the flight except for the beginning and end when electronic devices have to be off. I was staying with a relative so had easy access to wifi. Friday night after reading for a bit I decided to do some web surfing using the Webkit browser to see if I could find some things I wanted to do if I had time Saturday night. I spent 2 hours surfing the net using the Boox in landscape mode. Not only did I read up on things to do in Vegas but I also read MobileRead to see what Nate had been up to, rx8club.com to see what the vegas RX-8 crowd was up to(I’m senior admin at that forum) and checked my Gmail. I could sign in to all of these places but because the browser doesn’t do JavaScript, I couldn’t make any replies. Navigating was pretty easy on the sites. You can click links to go to next pages etc and use a swipe motion of the stylus to scroll up and down. I was surprised how well scrolling actually works. I was shocked to see that animated objects on the various pages I looked at worked very well. Advertising banners and other animated gifs seemed to work just as normal and quite fast. I’ll be trying to get some video to show what I mean later. There is a feature of the browser in the menu where you can select “home” but what it actually does it take you to a screen where it shows the last 4 pages you’ve been to. I used that to get back to Google when I was done at one site and wanted to go somewhere else. Some pages were really small but you can zoom just as with PDFs and you can even change fonts if you want. Zooming made it easier to click links. Saturday I made some more notes on my plan for the day and headed out for CES. I took only the Boox, my PocketBook 360(which was in my front pocket) and my empty laptop bag for carrying anything I picked up during the day. Oh, my phone of course. I had business cards tucked in the pocket of the Boox cover to handout. The rest of the day was spent checking the My CES plan, heading to a booth, making notes using the note ap of the Boox, checking off that booth in my plan and then heading to the next one. Many times I had people ask me about it and comment that I was the only person they had seen actually USING an ereader at the show. Having it and the PB360 with me made it very easy to talk with the various manufacturers about their devices and to compare/contrast design and functionality. At the Samsung booth, I had a nice chat with a professor from Stanford. He was looking for devices that he might be able to use in the classroom for PDF annotating etc. I ended up spending time showing him how I was using it and talking about Wacom vs. resistive vs. capacitive while the Samsung folks replaced their 9.7 inch device that had failed for some reason. At the Que booth, I spoke with them for a while and showed how I was using the Boox for the show. I hope I impressed them enough with the stylus “journal writing” that they quickly add that function to the Que. I also hope I impressed them enough to allow me to sell it in a B2B capacity here in the Portland area. I can see many potential customers that will not be reached by simply sticking it in B&N. One thing I would like to see with the Boox is the ability to bring up the key board more often. It pops up mainly when starting the wifi and in the browser so you can do things like sign it. It would be nice to be able to use it for notes when you want to or in lieu of the stylus if you happen to lose it. So, Saturday evening after spending some time at the Bellagio it was back to the house. I spent about 20 minutes on line reading some posts about CES then called it a night. Used my itinerary again on Sunday to check in and read all the way home. I hadn’t charged the Boox since THURSDAY and still had 1 bar on the battery scale. I used the wifi for about 2 ½ hours all told plus used it for reading, note taking most of the weekend and quite a bit of time showing others how it worked. I think the device got a good workout and proved to me how useful it really can be to have so many features. Battery life was above my expectations using the wifi so much and I’m very happy I decided not to lug the laptop around. Of course, many people could do everything I did with some kind of smart phone but I really liked using the (comparatively) big screen more so than I ever did when I had a blackberry. All in all a very successful outing with the Boox and it didn't let me down once. -Charlie Last edited by Dulin's Books; 01-12-2010 at 09:54 PM.

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01-11-2010, 08:40 AM	#181
carminis Member Posts: 23 Karma: 62 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Vienna, Austria Device: none (yet)	ok, so either one can reach the stylus or the wifi switch then... well, as soon as the boox hits the market (actually more than at the moment), there will be a lot more and maybe more mature stuff for it...

01-11-2010, 07:42 PM	#182
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	Hi all. Sorry I havent been on the last day but i had some traveling and sleeping to do I don't ship to most of Europe because there are already resellers available for Europeans like member Klein Nijenhuis of www.elektronischlesen.de . I have no formal agreement not to but they are already paying the fees etc to import them there and I think you'd be better served by someone in Europe. I am shipping to the UK because i have had some customers from there in the past and would not like to cut them off in the future. I also ship to most otehr coutnries around the world unless there is a local reseller. I don't have any of the black covers currently but I talked to Onyx about them on Saturday and I will be getting some for the people who ask or have already asked. The multi-color covers and devices will be available later in the year. I spent the whole weekend using my Boox at for my trip to CES. Its a fabulous device. I'll talk more about it later this evening. I have to go pick up my son from school

01-12-2010, 08:10 AM	#184
bremler Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Sony PRS-T1	Can you annotate epubs with the stylus? What's the music quality like? Is the battery life really only 4 days? Is there a model for those who don't want wifi? Does it come in black? Thankyou...

01-12-2010, 10:17 AM	#186
luag Zealot Posts: 144 Karma: 30 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Device: Onyx Boox 60	I just bought one, so I guess I can help answering some questions but please correct me if I'm wrong. Can you annotate epubs with the stylus? - Yes you can What's the music quality like? - It's pretty good. Does it come in black? - From what I know, boox is only available in white. But different colors for its leather case are available. so...is it included in the box or not? - One leather case is included.

01-12-2010, 02:38 PM	#191
carminis Member Posts: 23 Karma: 62 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Vienna, Austria Device: none (yet)	hi guys. just saw pics from boox-readers in black, red, green, blue and hot-pink - photo taken at ces... will these be available soon? in europe???

01-12-2010, 03:39 PM	#192
Klein Nijenhuis Zealot Posts: 100 Karma: 91530 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: Onyx Boox	I also saw them. I asked Onyx and they told me that it will be available around Q3 this year. We will have to wait for it I guess.

01-12-2010, 09:23 PM	#193
luag Zealot Posts: 144 Karma: 30 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Device: Onyx Boox 60	@Dulin's Books: Great read, thanks for sharing. Now I get a better understanding of what my Boox is really capable of