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Old 01-11-2010, 04:11 AM   #421
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:13 AM   #422
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I knew it! You're secretly one of those l-i-b-e-r-a-l socialists who believes in redistribution of wealth! Hey Harmon, had lunch with Olbermann lately?
Nah, I'm too lazy to be a secret anything - I like to follow Mark Twain's advice* except, perhaps, when certain parties ask questions like "does this make me look fat?"

But, assuming I were a liberal, why would I have lunch with Olbermann?? Putting aside that as a liberal, I would accept a free lunch...but if he were also a liberal, who would pay? Oh, yeah - the waiter.

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I knew it! You're secretly one of those l-i-b-e-r-a-l socialists who believes in redistribution of wealth! Hey Harmon, had lunch with Olbermann lately?

Nah, I'm too lazy to be a secret anything - I like to follow Mark Twain's advice* except, perhaps, when certain parties ask questions like "does this make me look fat?"

But, assuming I were a liberal, why would I have lunch with Olbermann?? Putting aside that as a liberal, I would accept a free lunch...but if he were also a liberal, who would pay? Oh, yeah - the waiter.

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Old 01-11-2010, 06:45 AM   #424
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... But, assuming I were a liberal, why would I have lunch with Olbermann?? Putting aside that as a liberal, I would accept a free lunch...but if he were also a liberal, who would pay? Oh, yeah - the waiter. ...
That's not quite the way it works. Whenever I dine with Olbermann (all liberals have lunch with Bro. Kieth sooner or later), we always invite one conservative lawyer to eat with us.

Guess who pays?
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Idiot corporations with no capacity for history are the reason the rest of us are forced to contend with DRM. ...
Perhaps, but it's piracy that gives the publishers cover to do what they do; piracy and file-sharing.

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The ebook industry could have saved everyone a lot of time and trouble if they'd just studied the music industry's gaffes before walking down the same destructive path. ...
I agree with you on this. The approach the companies are taking is short-sighted and it's not endearing them to their customers.
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That's not quite the way it works. Whenever I dine with Olbermann (all liberals have lunch with Bro. Kieth sooner or later), we always invite one conservative lawyer to eat with us.

Guess who pays?
Every invited Ann Coulter?
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:39 AM   #427
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Every invited Ann Coulter?
I said we invite one conservative lawyer. I never mentioned anything about utterly and completely insane out-of-their-freaking-minds totally out of touch with reality stark raving mad nut-job wackos.

Not that I necessarily think that Ann Coulter is a psychotic, maniacal, hate-filled lunatic-fringe crazy harebrain, mind you.
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Never tell a politician the truth; they can't handle it.

In fact I plan on lying to several politicians during this year's election cycle.
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NOBODY respects DRM! Our chief reason is piracy...piracy and file-sharing...file-sharing and piracy...our two main reasons are file-sharing and piracy...and control of information...Our three reasons are file-sharing, piracy, and control of information...and a desire to have a monopoly...Our four reasons...no...amongst our reasons...are those such as piracy, file-sharing...I'll come in again.
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(law suits didn't stop piracy, but there was plenty of evidence it had a chilling effect reducing online sharing dramatically).
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Of course not since measuring online sharing is essentially impossible.
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Of course not since measuring online sharing is essentially impossible.
Yet there are other things that can be measured, and perhaps from those inferences were drawn and conclusions made and David is sharing based on that.

I only ask because it was my impression litigation had no effect, let alone a chilling effect. If there was plenty of evidence that indicated such, I missed out, or perhaps it occurred in a particular geographical locale or market segment that I am unaware of.

My intent is merely to be as fully informed as possible.
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I only ask because it was my impression litigation had no effect, let alone a chilling effect. If there was plenty of evidence that indicated such, I missed out, or perhaps it occurred in a particular geographical locale or market segment that I am unaware of.
My assumption is that whatever source was claiming that it had a chilling effected, wanted it to have a chilling effect. I don't see how it's really possible to know one way or the other. But you can always spin it one way or the other, which is what usually happens with reports like this.
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Do you have a source for that?
Perhaps not one you'll like.

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The program was designed to educate fans about the law, the consequences of breaking the law, and raise awareness about all the great legal sites in the music marketplace. Like any tough decision, there are trade offs. On balance, the legal marketplace is far better off because of the program:

1) Educational Impact: Awareness of the illegality of downloading without permission surged from 35 – 72 percent following/during the initiation of the program.

2) Digital Marketplace Surges: Digital revenues have grown from nearly $200 million in ‘04 to $2.3 billion in ‘07 (estimates for ‘08 - $3 billion), accounting for 25 percent of all retail value revenue (upwards of 30 percent at end of ’08).

3) Illicit P2P Growth Constrained But Still Major Problem: Prior to the campaign, illegal p2p music trading was growing exponentially. Since 2004, the percentage of Internet-connected households that have downloaded music from p2p is essentially flat (NPD).
There's no question about the increase in awareness--even if someone wants to write off any info from the RIAA as propaganda (it is, but then so is almost all the info that wasn't from the RIAA -- not a lot of competent neutral sources in the music wars). RIAA foes thought suing grandma was a misstep, but it was a strategy. The more sympathetic the person sued, the more coverage each suit got. Since they could only sue a tiny percentage of infringers, they needed shocking coverage to achieve a chilling effect.

While suits aren't solely responsible for p2p not growing (increased access to legal digital sources, black market exhaustion, digital sources becoming friendly by embracing mp3s all helped too), when you pair 1 and 3 above with a fair recollection of the coverage that happened during the heyday of RIAA suits, it's tough to make credible argument that they were ineffective.

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Of course not since measuring online sharing is essentially impossible.
Measuring it precisely isn't possible, but then again, we can't even measure how many people there are precisely, or TV ratings, or the effectiveness of vaccines, public health policies, safety regulations, hand-washing etc. On the other hand, it's far from impossible to use statistics to gather some useful and meaningful measurements. There are yearly 'most pirated x' lists that people love to chat about (where x equals games, music, movies etc). Are they 100% accurate? Of course not. But they aren't useless in measuring sharing either.
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Uh. You're not seriously using the RIAA as a source for factual information, are you?

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You really believe them when they claim that P2P isn't growing?
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