Apple Tablet -- Who needs it?

[JSWolf]

The problem is that too many people soo a new Apple product and rush out to buy it. They don't stop and take a good enough look to see what's wrong with it. They don't wait for the 2nd version to come out that fixes some/all of the problems. I mean really, look at the issue Apple's had with the camera in the iPod Touch.

Forget it, it takes Apple far too long to get their devices to the point they work well enough. And as for the iPod line of devices, I really think Apple is forgetting one fundamental thing with them, THE SOUND. iPods are mediocre for sound quality. It's all the other gizmos and gadgets added on so the fanboys don't realize the sound is not all that wonderful. Heck, my Rio Karma sounds better then the latest iPod Touch.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Jon,

I think it's fair to say that no non-trivial software system has EVER been released that did not have bugs in it that needed to be fixed. Apple are probably no worse than anyone else in that respect.

But a lot of the time it's also hardware issues. 1st gen iPod Touch has an awful battery (for example) and you cannot have a microphone. So if you wanted say Skype (with voice calls) on your 1st gen iPod touch, forget it. You have to get a 2nd or 3rd gen.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem is that too many people soo a new Apple product and rush out to buy it. They don't stop and take a good enough look to see what's wrong with it. They don't wait for the 2nd version to come out that fixes some/all of the problems. I mean really, look at the issue Apple's had with the camera in the iPod Touch.

I don't know what you're talking about - the iPod Touch does not have a camera.

Forget it, it takes Apple far too long to get their devices to the point they work well enough. And as for the iPod line of devices, I really think Apple is forgetting one fundamental thing with them, THE SOUND. iPods are mediocre for sound quality.

We must agree to differ, I'm afraid. I've probably bought ever iPod model that Apple has ever made. None has ever had a significant problem for me personally.

If you don't like Apple products, that's fine; nobody is forcing you to buy them. Personally I like them.

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

But a lot of the time it's also hardware issues. 1st gen iPod Touch has an awful battery (for example) and you cannot have a microphone. So if you wanted say Skype (with voice calls) on your 1st gen iPod touch, forget it. You have to get a 2nd or 3rd gen.

But its not like they tricked people into that by saying it had a mic!
If my other mp3 player had a mic but no wireless connectivity would it be the manafacturers fault i couldnt use Skype?

My laptop has no MIC damn HP for not letting me not use Skype??

if you want to use skype on an mp3 player make sure it has the hardware to allow that surely?

[Laurentiu]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why are you trying to derail the thread? it's about Apple, not MS, not Mercedes Benz, but APPLE.

I tried to give you other companies as example to show you that Apple is not that bad as some people try to portray it. But, it seems that you cannot see beyond the obvious and always try to put Apple in a bad light. So be it!

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by AprilHare

No, but thanks for misrepresenting. Needed that - We were talking about fanboys, weren't we?
I did say people who like apple and tell others about that, Im assuming thats what you meant by Fanboy?

You can't think of why someone standing around saying *x* company makes the best equipment based on brand name alone is helpful? They gloss over the downsides or negative aspects of the equipment involved, and turn it into a 'fashion item', and you can't see why that's wrong?

I cant see why that only applies to Apple? as far as i am aware that happens with every product and manafacturer.

Interesting. No real point, but interesting. - I speak from observation of majority known to me not knowledge of all. Come to think of it, neither do you.
We are clearly both excellent at making assumptions

Interesting. No real point, but interesting.

Now then, no-one called you stupid! There, there. Calm down, and go play with your Apple toys. They'll make you feel better!
You implied that quite clearly, by suggesting i buy the product due to propaganda. I dont see why you feel the need be mocking anyone on here unnecessary imo

I don't hand over my mobile phone for playing with.
And I only show off my liseuse very occasionally (if asked) because eink displays are still a great novelty here (few have seen them at all).
But that has nothing to do with what I said, in my experience people want to look at new gadgets and Im more than happy to let anyone i Meet play with anything of mine.

My fingers have feelings too! It's not THEIR fault I can't dial a phone number using a iPhone using them now, is it?
They should go on an apple diet

Apple manipulate the market so that their operating system can only be used on a very small range of Apple-blessed hardware and that's a positive?
Doesn't make the hardware perfect.
manipulate? bit strong for me, their software is designed to run on their hardware and they protect that right and the law agrees with them. I doubt Sony would be happy if I hacked their latest PRS firmware to work on other ereaders either.

We the disaffected. (Unofficial spokeschook.)

Two Apple mistakes - how about the flickering iMac display issues and those pesky Macbook cases flaking apart, for starters?
Again I dont disagree but the fact is Apple arent unique in that.

Well there always has to be a light at the end of the tunnel. - - just check it isn't the headlamp of the fast oncoming train!

In bold

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by HarryT

I don't know what you're talking about - the iPod Touch does not have a camera.

Yes, I know it doesn't. But it was supposed to.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Laurentiu

I tried to give you other companies as example to show you that Apple is not that bad as some people try to portray it. But, it seems that you cannot see beyond the obvious and always try to put Apple in a bad light. So be it!

I know other companies are not perfect. But I'm sticking to Apple as this thread is about Apple.

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I know other companies are not perfect. But I'm sticking to Apple as this thread is about Apple.

Agreed but a lot of people are saying thinks like 'Apple are rubbish their first touch didnt have a camera' or the Touch cant use Skype as it has no mic in the 1st gen' 'The 1st gen iphone software didnt have cut and paste'

And completely ignoring the fact that a lot of other products compromise in the hardware and software in the 1st gen of many many products.
its not like Apple said the hardware had any of those things so it seems an odd argument to use against apple when everyone else does the same.

Its like being against Apple because they want to make money, or that their quality control sometime drop the ball.

It happens to everyone so is pretty much pointless keep going on about it.

[JSWolf]

One thing we do have to blame Apple for is the price of mp3 players.

[AprilHare]

Originally Posted by stustaff

I did say people who like apple and tell others about that, Im assuming thats what you meant by Fanboy?

I think you're missing the spirit of the word 'fanboy'. Think fanatic boy, i.e. immature male fanatics. Filled with specious arguments and rabid support without justification or indeed supporting evidence.

Originally Posted by stustaff

I cant see why that only applies to Apple? as far as i am aware that happens with every product and manafacturer.

I disagree. Not every manufacturer has fanboys virulently promoting products the way Apple does. I can't say if Apple isn't directly behind quite a lot of it, especially with respect to the computer side of the business.

Originally Posted by stustaff

We are clearly both excellent at making assumptions

Observation isn't assumption.

Originally Posted by stustaff

You implied that quite clearly, by suggesting i buy the product due to propaganda. I dont see why you feel the need be mocking anyone on here unnecessary imo

Mocking? Me? Never!

Originally Posted by stustaff

But that has nothing to do with what I said, in my experience people want to look at new gadgets and Im more than happy to let anyone i Meet play with anything of mine.

My point is, you promote it by handing it to others to play with.

Originally Posted by stustaff

They should go on an apple diet

My fingers are as Nature made them and no dieting will ever reach Apple UI standard for me.
I believe I read an article that stated it was due to limitations in the handling of the display, not my fingers - but it's easy to not care about the distinction when you can't ring a phone number on a phone!

Originally Posted by stustaff

manipulate? bit strong for me, their software is designed to run on their hardware and they protect that right and the law agrees with them. I doubt Sony would be happy if I hacked their latest PRS firmware to work on other ereaders either.

I doubt anyone has tested their silly agreements very hard - except Pystar. They managed to sell Mac clones without much trouble. But manipulation I call it still, as Pystar have felt pressure from Apple and have wound down parts of their business.
But it doesn't stop Apple
Sony use Linux and Adobe ADE in their firmware. Not unique. And the linux is quite installable on different machines (yay for open source!). Try doing *that* with old OS X. (Don't give me Darwin - Darwin is certainly not OS X.)

Originally Posted by stustaff

Again I dont disagree but the fact is Apple arent unique in that.

Those were unique Apple issues, but there were more where that came from! More than other manufacturers I am aware of.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by stustaff

Agreed but a lot of people are saying thinks like 'Apple are rubbish their first touch didnt have a camera' or the Touch cant use Skype as it has no mic in the 1st gen' 'The 1st gen iphone software didnt have cut and paste'

And completely ignoring the fact that a lot of other products compromise in the hardware and software in the 1st gen of many many products.
its not like Apple said the hardware had any of those things so it seems an odd argument to use against apple when everyone else does the same.

Its like being against Apple because they want to make money, or that their quality control sometime drop the ball.

It happens to everyone so is pretty much pointless keep going on about it.

The camera was supposed to be in the latest version iPod Touch and it's not.

Apple seems to RUSH a product out to market and then make changes to it afterwards instead of taking the time to add on all the features the first time around.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The camera was supposed to be in the latest version iPod Touch and it's not.

"Supposed to" according to whom?

[mores]

Originally Posted by AprilHare

I assure you plenty of fanboys buy anything with the Apple name and logo. I don't like to call them fanboys, they *are* fanboys.

No doubt about it - what I'm trying to establish here is that not everyone who buys something with an apple on it is a fanboy and buys anything with an apple on it.

Originally Posted by stustaff

What I really dont get is why anyone who isnt interested in Apple and doesnt like their products is even posting in this thread?

If all your here to do is complain and moan about all of Apples mistakes then well dont you have something better to be doing with your time?

Im posting in here because I really like Apple products and was enjoying the discussion and speculation on the iSlate.
And pretty much its being ruined by Trolls.

Originally Posted by AprilHare

I disagree. At least Sony fans are tasteful about their personal fanatic views. Apple fanboys need to bother everyone in the Universe apparently, and everyone who can't afford their latest and greatest overpriced equipment is deemed substandard. - I know, it's happened to me

uhm ... sony fanboys are tasteful and apple fanboys are not? right!

Originally Posted by AprilHare

I have no idea what makes the stereotypical Apple fanboy. I'm assuming Apple propaganda has done it, but you never know with that lot.

yet you continue to call people fanboys, not knowing what actually makes someone a fanboy? Talk about getting your facts straight

Originally Posted by AprilHare

No, really, lucky you. You bought 3 computers and have been lucky to not have major problems with them. That obviously can be extrapolated to every Mac out there. Same with the 1 PC. Anyway..

Stockholm syndrome, anyone smell stockholm syndrome? See, I have had 2 problems ever since I switched to using Macs - one loose cooling fan and one non-working speaker, both of which were repaired at no cost within an hour or so. No spontaneous resets, no BSODs, no reinstallation of the OS, no crashing outlook due to filled up PST files, no problems with SPAM, no problems with virii, no problems with trojans ... All I ever do on my parents' and in-laws' computers is fix things, clean things up, undo the installation of 25 browser toolbars, and update virus databases. I've had it up to here (see me drawing a virtual line 50cm above my head) with system fixing, I am tired of fixing things. I only do it because I have to or else be disposessed My friends spend an estimated 10% of their time not working but to tinkering with their machines instead. I have only had the mentioned 2 hours of repair time in the last 6.5 years, distributed over 3 Apple laptops.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

And as for the iPod line of devices, I really think Apple is forgetting one fundamental thing with them, THE SOUND. iPods are mediocre for sound quality.

You're regurgitating ancient misinformation. Back then it was the old-school turntable generation having a problem with the newfangled MP3 with it's lack of depth and soul and whatever. Very much like the "paper-smell" fraction that's giving eBooks a hard time.

Originally Posted by HarryT

"Supposed to" according to whom?

Probably according to rumors sites

This thread is amazing. It's turned into an Apple bashing - however objectively the "fanboys" try to argument there is no finding a middle ground with the aPple haters who I shall now call "Billyboys" just for the sake of aggravating them.

I'm outta here, rubbing my iPhone all over my body and kneeling in front of my HisJobsNess shrine.

[petermillard]

Originally Posted by HarryT

"Supposed to" according to whom?

Why, all those rumour sites, of course - you know, HarryT, like the ones that claim apple are making a tablet!

Hey, wouldn't it be a hoot if come Jan 26th or whenever it is, Apple just rolled out... an iPod Touch with a camera?

Time to close this thread I think, before it just degenerates any further into predictably peurile mudslinging - and no, don't even think about pointing a finger and saying 'he started it'...

Pete (who may buy an Apple tablet if it's ever brought to market and if it does what I want, and equally, may not if it doesn't.)