Plastic Logic QUE event (Thu 7:30 am PT) - Page 11

brecklundin · 01-08-2010, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotbob

doesn't a wacom need a special stylus? If so, then the Que doesn't use one. The que works with finger touching as well as the stylus. I think this is a big plus cause you don't need to put out the stylus to do simple navigation with the "touch" controls like you do on say the iRex DR800 which does use a wacam and require a stylus.

BOb

I noticed that right off in the newest video...forgot to mention it in the last comment...I agree while this uses a capacitive touch not a Wacom I bet for most users it will be less frustrating in the long run ssimply due to lost or forgotten pens!!

I dunno where I read it had a Wacom...obviousl I confused it with some other reader...I need a nap I suppose...hahahaha...thanks for the reminder about that part!!

random50 · 01-08-2010, 01:05 AM

brecklundin, "right now" is indeed a very optimistic way of putting it.

Personally, all I want is a big-sized, touch screen, e-ink device with good battery life, able to handle a decent spectrum of formats. I don't even really *care* about the advanced features, so them being delayed is certainly no issue to me. As far as I'm aware (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the IRex 1000 series is the only alternative currently available, and it's more expensive for (I think, but remains to be confirmed) less functionality. For the asking price, the Que will have to handle pretty close to perfectly for my specific needs, though. I'm hoping they'll be giving some of the attendees the chance for some proper hands on time and we'll hear some more specifics shortly.

The Skiff's the only other forthcoming product I've seen mentioned so far that might fit with me, and who knows when and at what price that will actually get released. And like you, I I'm wary of the "smell" of the marketing so far.

Even with all the delays, it still seems the Que is going to have first mover advantage in this particular niche (discounting the Irex) and with the Kindle DX weighing in at $500 without touchscreen, I highly doubt we'll be seeing anything significantly undercutting the $650 version. (I have zero interest in the 3G functionality.)

brecklundin · 01-08-2010, 01:24 AM

random50:

your reasoning makes perfect sense to me and I agree with it...the only compromise I think you'll end up dealing with is that all of the larger readers will have added functions which you may not ever use...eh, so do my laptops. I never used the fingerprint scanner, almost immediately disabled the ambient light sensor and who the heck uses a modem anymore? I suppose a few folks are still tuck with dial-up but I don't recall using dial-up once in the past 6yrs.

So, yeah, I bet the Que is a solid choice for what you describe. For me, not so much...in fact I decided no large format reader for me until June at the earliest. The Skiff concerns me for one reason...HEARST is behind the device and that only means control and forced content in terms of information. So as much as I like the features of that device, I get a queasy feeling the more I think about how Hearst does things...

we'll see...if ya do get a Que, look forward to your take on the beast...should be fun if nothing else!!

HansTWN · 01-08-2010, 01:42 AM

The Que looks amazingly light, he holds it with one hand on the left side even in landscape mode.

ricou · 01-08-2010, 03:58 AM

Hi there,
Personnally, I am waiting for a large screen ebook to read more comfortably books, manga and pdf documents (no business needs).
I do not care about annotations or touchscreen either.

Supported format is a non issue for me, just use calibre and change your source document in any format you like !

so in this current competitive market, I could get now:

an Irex 1000
but it looks too bulky for my taste, plus the battery does not seem really efficient

a kindle dx
my first choice as I am already very happy with my Kindle 2, but the DX screen seems quite fragile, and it seems to support PDF in a average way,
of course, should its price drop, I might still consider it !

Then you have those new babies coming ! Sometimes this year.
My question are when (I live in Europe) and how much (to get something aimed at US only, you pay quite a premium (shipping costs, additional costs to have it sent from a US address, no warranty and so on !)

Skiff looks promising (I like how it looks as well), so does QUE (although I would not care about all of its business application or even 3G).

So now, I will wait for those new readers to be sold and reviewed, and if in the meantime, amazon decide to decrease a lot its kindle price, I might not have the patience to wait for something else (and they already sell the DX internationally)...

brecklundin · 01-08-2010, 04:45 AM

ricou:

If you can live with 9.7" panels...wait only a few weeks at the most, maybe even this weekend...there will not only be some super devices, there is also some market changing news ...maybe...no definite confirmation on the news part, but the readers are a done deal except for the announcements.

sony_fox · 01-08-2010, 06:32 AM

GAH!

UK firm, R nD all in the UK, production in Germany.

Availability - only in the US. Rubbish.

I don't need one, 505 does everything I want. How flexible is their plastic substrate?

HarryT · 01-08-2010, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sony_fox

How flexible is their plastic substrate?

The device itself is rigid; the point about the plastic substrate is that it won't shatter if subject to an impact, as will the glass substrate on all existing eInk devices.

jasonkchapman · 01-08-2010, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brecklundin

I understand your observation here. But I would add that this ability to "print to the Que" is in no way unique to the Que. I can "print to" any device that reads PDF files, or any other file format that one can either save a file to or can grab a printer driver for...it can be directly to the device if it appears either as network resource or to a directory/network location that the device monitors then grabs any new content or notifies me or I can visit manually.

True, but if they can put the whole package together, hardware and software, so that the average non-technical user can set it up, it becomes something special. When the iPod came out, it was well behind the technical standards for DMPs. The combination of the iPod, iTunes, and the iTMS, however, made it something special.

acastillo · 01-08-2010, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brecklundin

I understand your observation here. But I would add that this ability to "print to the Que" is in no way unique to the Que. I can "print to" any device that reads PDF files, or any other file format that one can either save a file to or can grab a printer driver for...it can be directly to the device if it appears either as network resource or to a directory/network location that the device monitors then grabs any new content or notifies me or I can visit manually.

I would add I also get what the Que is trying to push as something special. but I would also add that it is nothing new nor special. Hell, I made stuff like this work for mobile sales rps and even setup data deliverables of our analytical lab for out clients if they would call our dial-up server to grab the results...this was in the early 90s under DOS/Netware and eventually Windows 3.x. The marketing staff used Goldmine and we had rudimentary ability to sync info either via dial-up or when they landed back at their home network...and all of the documents were their for anyone who had the right access permissions from any of our branch offices...seems to me PL is proud of re-inventing the wheel so there has to have been something special in the presentation we aren't seeing.

So maybe someone can explain why this thing is so great?

Most of what you said is beyond my computer technical abilities --- so even if the Que is nothing new, the fact that it sounds like it is something I can used is probably indicative that the Que is "mainstreaming" the concept that you mentioned in your post.

CalvinC · 01-08-2010, 09:04 AM

One thing I had not noticed being mentioned that could serve as a "killer app" for the Que is Blackberry syncing. I am probably not along in receiving many, many attachments in E-mails on my Blackberry; viewing them is less than ideal on a cell phone screen. Having those sync to the much larger screen of the Que would be a perfect solution.

The price isn't out of line if you consider what paper costs, both directly (~$40 for 10 reams of the cheap stuff) and environmentally.

Jumpn Jack Flash · 01-08-2010, 09:39 AM

So to compete on price iRex will have to get into gear.

To compete on features they will have to refresh the DR1000S (bring out the mythical SW), add mail interaction and other businessny things.
Based on their current release practices they could probably do this very quickly

Dulin's Books · 01-08-2010, 10:11 AM

Brecklundin- i will bet the reason for no browser is the content delivery. they want you to want subscription content pushed to the device. browsing would impact subscription sales

Dulin's Books · 01-08-2010, 10:26 AM

capacitive touch means NO stylus ........

Dulin's Books · 01-08-2010, 10:30 AM

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01-08-2010, 01:05 AM	#152
random50 Connoisseur Posts: 81 Karma: 110 Join Date: Jul 2008 Device: None yet	brecklundin, "right now" is indeed a very optimistic way of putting it. Personally, all I want is a big-sized, touch screen, e-ink device with good battery life, able to handle a decent spectrum of formats. I don't even really care about the advanced features, so them being delayed is certainly no issue to me. As far as I'm aware (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the IRex 1000 series is the only alternative currently available, and it's more expensive for (I think, but remains to be confirmed) less functionality. For the asking price, the Que will have to handle pretty close to perfectly for my specific needs, though. I'm hoping they'll be giving some of the attendees the chance for some proper hands on time and we'll hear some more specifics shortly. The Skiff's the only other forthcoming product I've seen mentioned so far that might fit with me, and who knows when and at what price that will actually get released. And like you, I I'm wary of the "smell" of the marketing so far. Even with all the delays, it still seems the Que is going to have first mover advantage in this particular niche (discounting the Irex) and with the Kindle DX weighing in at $500 without touchscreen, I highly doubt we'll be seeing anything significantly undercutting the $650 version. (I have zero interest in the 3G functionality.)

01-08-2010, 01:24 AM	#153
brecklundin Banned Posts: 1,906 Karma: 15348 Join Date: Jun 2007 Device: mine	random50: your reasoning makes perfect sense to me and I agree with it...the only compromise I think you'll end up dealing with is that all of the larger readers will have added functions which you may not ever use...eh, so do my laptops. I never used the fingerprint scanner, almost immediately disabled the ambient light sensor and who the heck uses a modem anymore? I suppose a few folks are still tuck with dial-up but I don't recall using dial-up once in the past 6yrs. So, yeah, I bet the Que is a solid choice for what you describe. For me, not so much...in fact I decided no large format reader for me until June at the earliest. The Skiff concerns me for one reason...HEARST is behind the device and that only means control and forced content in terms of information. So as much as I like the features of that device, I get a queasy feeling the more I think about how Hearst does things... we'll see...if ya do get a Que, look forward to your take on the beast...should be fun if nothing else!!

01-08-2010, 01:42 AM	#154
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	The Que looks amazingly light, he holds it with one hand on the left side even in landscape mode.

01-08-2010, 03:58 AM	#155
ricou Enthusiast Posts: 31 Karma: 106 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: bebook	Hi there, Personnally, I am waiting for a large screen ebook to read more comfortably books, manga and pdf documents (no business needs). I do not care about annotations or touchscreen either. Supported format is a non issue for me, just use calibre and change your source document in any format you like ! so in this current competitive market, I could get now: an Irex 1000 but it looks too bulky for my taste, plus the battery does not seem really efficient a kindle dx my first choice as I am already very happy with my Kindle 2, but the DX screen seems quite fragile, and it seems to support PDF in a average way, of course, should its price drop, I might still consider it ! Then you have those new babies coming ! Sometimes this year. My question are when (I live in Europe) and how much (to get something aimed at US only, you pay quite a premium (shipping costs, additional costs to have it sent from a US address, no warranty and so on !) Skiff looks promising (I like how it looks as well), so does QUE (although I would not care about all of its business application or even 3G). So now, I will wait for those new readers to be sold and reviewed, and if in the meantime, amazon decide to decrease a lot its kindle price, I might not have the patience to wait for something else (and they already sell the DX internationally)...

01-08-2010, 04:45 AM	#156
brecklundin Banned Posts: 1,906 Karma: 15348 Join Date: Jun 2007 Device: mine	ricou: If you can live with 9.7" panels...wait only a few weeks at the most, maybe even this weekend...there will not only be some super devices, there is also some market changing news ...maybe...no definite confirmation on the news part, but the readers are a done deal except for the announcements.

01-08-2010, 06:32 AM	#157
sony_fox Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 84 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester Device: Kobo Auroa H2O	GAH! UK firm, R nD all in the UK, production in Germany. Availability - only in the US. Rubbish. I don't need one, 505 does everything I want. How flexible is their plastic substrate?

01-08-2010, 09:04 AM	#161
CalvinC Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Device: PRS-505	One thing I had not noticed being mentioned that could serve as a "killer app" for the Que is Blackberry syncing. I am probably not along in receiving many, many attachments in E-mails on my Blackberry; viewing them is less than ideal on a cell phone screen. Having those sync to the much larger screen of the Que would be a perfect solution. The price isn't out of line if you consider what paper costs, both directly (~$40 for 10 reams of the cheap stuff) and environmentally.

01-08-2010, 09:39 AM	#162
Jumpn Jack Flash Lazy Git Posts: 124 Karma: 1266 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The soggy Emerald Isle Device: iRex DR800S	So to compete on price iRex will have to get into gear. To compete on features they will have to refresh the DR1000S (bring out the mythical SW), add mail interaction and other businessny things. Based on their current release practices they could probably do this very quickly

01-08-2010, 10:11 AM	#163
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	Brecklundin- i will bet the reason for no browser is the content delivery. they want you to want subscription content pushed to the device. browsing would impact subscription sales

01-08-2010, 10:26 AM	#164
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	capacitive touch means NO stylus ........

01-08-2010, 10:30 AM	#165
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	can you respond create new emails?