Finally! Cybook Firmware upgrade available for download! - Page 17

Crusader · 12-31-2009, 05:08 AM

I agree. I see the page numbers on the right as redundent when the status bar is active. It would be great to have an option to turn off the page numbers.

HarryT · 12-31-2009, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader

I agree. I see the page numbers on the right as redundent when the status bar is active. It would be great to have an option to turn off the page numbers.

Yes, that would of course be the best option.

tompe · 12-31-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader

I agree. I see the page numbers on the right as redundent when the status bar is active. It would be great to have an option to turn off the page numbers.

The numbera on the side have more information so they are not redundant. You need them if you are going to reference text in the book.

JSWolf · 12-31-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Does it justify the text when it is not specified in the ePUB file, or does it just obey the "text-align: justify" property?

Actually, I never did test for left justify. But I will next time I am near the SonyStyle store. I'll take up an ePub that specifically says to be left justified and I'll take one that doesn't specify just to see what that does.

JSWolf · 12-31-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

The numbera on the side have more information so they are not redundant. You need them if you are going to reference text in the book.

Why can't we just reference say page 10-11 or page 11 or page 27-28? Aren't they valid numbers?

HarryT · 12-31-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why can't we just reference say page 10-11 or page 11 or page 27-28? Aren't they valid numbers?

A reference to "Page 11" is fine - that will be the same on every reading device. The ambiguity occurs when there's a new ADE page on a screen; if the status bar displays "Page 10-11", and there is no marginal page number, you don't know exactly where the new page starts, so you can't say whether a particular piece of text is on page 10 or page 11.

Jellby · 12-31-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

A reference to "Page 11" is fine - that will be the same on every reading device.

Every reading device that uses ADE, and only as long as everyone uses the ePUB version. A page reference will be useless to a reader using Calibre as a viewer, or with the Mobipocket version of the book. Pages are already a weak reference system with paperbooks (they don't work across different editions, translations, binding...), no need to use them with ebooks, especially when ebooks can be easily searched!

Page numbers are good for one's own use, for estimating a book's length, for movig around... but not for passing references.

PS. Note that with the page numbers in the margins, you still don't know the exact word where the page changes, so you have the same problem

HarryT · 12-31-2009, 11:10 AM

I was specifically talking about ADE. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

JSWolf · 12-31-2009, 11:11 AM

You could just say that the first word on the line that has the page number in the margin is where the new page starts.

Jellby · 12-31-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

You could just say that the first word on the line that has the page number in the margin is where the new page starts.

But when you change font size, margins, or whatever, it will be a different word, and then the "independent of user settings" argument breaks down, and you could use "real" pages (screenfuls) instead

Baumi · 01-01-2010, 06:51 AM

Sounds to me like we should look to a time when they didn't have page numbers yet - namely the Bible, which was one book where people needed references long before the printing press and its uniform editions came out.

Maybe we need an URL scheme that mirrors the "book-chapter-verse" system people use when quoting the bible. If every vendor implemented that, you could share a cross-platform reference. Of course, it'd either be unwieldy because it's much longer than a simple page number, or it'd be short but machine-readable only like the tinyurls and bit.ly-links of today: Easy to type and paste, but impossible to decode just by looking at them.

JSWolf · 01-01-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

But when you change font size, margins, or whatever, it will be a different word, and then the "independent of user settings" argument breaks down, and you could use "real" pages (screenfuls) instead

This is true. But, if hat you are referencing is clearly say in page 17, then it won't matter what is on the first and/or last line of page 17.

omk3 · 01-01-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JOZAWUN

BINGO; it worked when I put it on the desk and pressed down hard with a cylindrical communication device (or, pencil). Thanks for the suggestion. I wasn't being stupid, just ham-fisted!

Thanks for the "pencil" tip! I was trying to guide my mother through the upgrade over the phone and we were both starting to get frustrated, not finding what she was doing wrong. And she's got quite slender fingers, too!

omk3 · 01-02-2010, 08:16 AM

People, it seems I need a little more help here. I have a distressed mother on the phone, she organised all her books into folders after the 1.5 upgrade, and now her library is empty. I read you have to activate folder view, but she doesn't know where to find this option. Also, is there any kind of manual for the new firmware (as I understand a lot of features have been added). I would probably be able to figure it all out if I had the cybook in my hands, but over the phone it's pretty difficult...
Thanks for any help!

HarryT · 01-02-2010, 08:20 AM

Two possibilities:

1. She's navigated up to the "top" of the file system so that the books aren't shown. What exactly does the library screen show?

2. She has a corrupt file system and all the books really have disappeared.

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12-31-2009, 05:08 AM	#241
Crusader Space Cadet Posts: 1,180 Karma: 4030536 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Africa Device: Sony PRS-T1, Cybook Opus, Kobo Glo	I agree. I see the page numbers on the right as redundent when the status bar is active. It would be great to have an option to turn off the page numbers.

12-31-2009, 11:10 AM	#248
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,557 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I was specifically talking about ADE. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

12-31-2009, 11:11 AM	#249
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,864 Karma: 146918083 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	You could just say that the first word on the line that has the page number in the margin is where the new page starts.

01-01-2010, 06:51 AM	#251
Baumi Connoisseur Posts: 56 Karma: 290 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindle 3, Kindle DXG, Cybook G3	Sounds to me like we should look to a time when they didn't have page numbers yet - namely the Bible, which was one book where people needed references long before the printing press and its uniform editions came out. Maybe we need an URL scheme that mirrors the "book-chapter-verse" system people use when quoting the bible. If every vendor implemented that, you could share a cross-platform reference. Of course, it'd either be unwieldy because it's much longer than a simple page number, or it'd be short but machine-readable only like the tinyurls and bit.ly-links of today: Easy to type and paste, but impossible to decode just by looking at them.

01-02-2010, 08:16 AM	#254
omk3 Wizard Posts: 1,454 Karma: 37243 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Europe Device: pocketbook 360, kindle 4	People, it seems I need a little more help here. I have a distressed mother on the phone, she organised all her books into folders after the 1.5 upgrade, and now her library is empty. I read you have to activate folder view, but she doesn't know where to find this option. Also, is there any kind of manual for the new firmware (as I understand a lot of features have been added). I would probably be able to figure it all out if I had the cybook in my hands, but over the phone it's pretty difficult... Thanks for any help!

01-02-2010, 08:20 AM	#255
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,557 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Two possibilities: 1. She's navigated up to the "top" of the file system so that the books aren't shown. What exactly does the library screen show? 2. She has a corrupt file system and all the books really have disappeared.