Classic The nook is bad for eBooks - Page 10

Madam Broshkina · 12-22-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sunebird

The reasons I went to B&N to purchase the book was 1. Sony Reader site did not have the book and 2. This excerpt of a news release put out by Barnes & Noble, promoting their bookstore. Here is the quote "EPUB is an open standard, and is used by Kobo, Barnes & Noble, Sony and Google's own book service. That means that books purchased from Kobo or Barnes & Noble can be used with any EPUB-compatible device, similar to how MP3 music files can be played on any digital music device.
Anyway, this problem has made me very fond of cabbages. Now I can read the book on everything, Calibre, Digital Editions, Sony Etc.

Can you point me to this news release? I can find the exact same quote from a recent article introducing Kobo but cannot find where it comes from B&N.

http://news.globaltv.com/technology/...989/story.html

stangri · 12-23-2009, 05:42 AM

Ok, as far as nook not being better for epub -- you can read epubs bought at B&N and Sony Store on nook, while you can't read B&N epubs on sony readers (and that is a fact). nook is better for epub, Sony PRS readers are worse for epub, go post there.

JSWolf -- a huge amount of the posts in this thread are made by you and they're all about the same. B&N never told you they're selling epub on the product pages. B&N never told you they're selling product which is compatible with anything beyond what's freaking explicitly listed on every single product page. Yes, you can't read B&N-bought ebooks on other devices. Get over it.

PS. nook rules all.

user_none · 12-23-2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Maybe the plan is to cause much confusion and force people to stop using DRM? I also cannot understand how they could write the standard this way.

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Originally Posted by Barcey

Well both Adobe and Overdrive were on the board of directors of the IDPF at the time. I believe that Bill McCoy from Adobe was the President. I'm just speculating that might have had something to do with it.

Pretty much. Big players wanted DRM as part of the standard. An open format that depends on a DRM scheme owned by a single entity is not an open format. I'm going to assume the authors were unable to get consensus on a single DRM system but were able to agree that a DRM scheme was necessary. So only framework for attaching DRM to the format was authored and the actual implementation was left up to the party wanting to add DRM.

netseeker · 12-23-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by stangri

Ok, as far as nook not being better for epub -- you can read epubs bought at B&N and Sony Store on nook, while you can't read B&N epubs on sony readers (and that is a fact). nook is better for epub, Sony PRS readers are worse for epub, go post there.

Unfortunately it seems that the ePub renderer (adobe mobile reader sdk) on the nook is much more buggy at the moment than older versions on other devices. As i wrote in an earlier post, a lot of standard compliant ePubs can't be read on the nook at the moment. This is a serious issue and B&N has to fix it asap! Given such issues your statement "nook rules all" seems a little bit odd.

Madam Broshkina · 12-23-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by netseeker

Unfortunately it seems that the ePub renderer (adobe mobile reader sdk) on the nook is much more buggy at the moment than older versions on other devices. As i wrote in an earlier post, a lot of standard compliant ePubs can't be read on the nook at the moment. This is a serious issue and B&N has to fix it asap! Given such issues your statement "nook rules all" seems a little bit odd.

Perhaps stangri is basing his statement "nook rules all" on the basis of his or her experiences with the nook. Perhaps like me, stangri has not have had any issues with the ePub books loaded on the nook. I have tried many ePub books (over 300) from multiple sources and have yet to find one that does not work. Perhaps I am just lucky.

netseeker · 12-23-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Madam Broshkina

Perhaps stangri is basing his statement "nook rules all" on the basis of his or her experiences with the nook. Perhaps like me, stangri has not have had any issues with the ePub books loaded on the nook. I have tried many ePub books (over 300) from multiple sources and have yet to find one that does not work. Perhaps I am just lucky.

Do you really think such statements (nook is better for epub, Sony PRS readers are worse for epub, nook rules all) are helpful? The topic of this thread is counterproductive enough...

JSWolf · 12-23-2009, 11:51 AM

Part of the problem is that there is a lot of conflicting information out there and B&N is not doing anything to help stem the tide of confusion.

Show me one place on the B&N website that says any information on ePub that's needed for the customer to make a properly informed decision? Nobody has yet done so. What B&N has on their website is not going to help people (who do not know about this DRM stuff) to make a properly informed decision to buy or not to buy. That is the problem. If B&N had put something like "The ePub purchased here uses a different DRM then other stores" that would be OK.

JSWolf · 12-23-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stangri

PS. nook rules all.

The One Ring ruled all and look what happened to it.

kennyc · 12-23-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The One Ring ruled all and look what happened to it.

What?

JSWolf · 12-23-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

What?

Did you never read The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings?

kennyc · 12-23-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Did you never read The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings?

I liked your first answer best.

Mt. Doom.

jasonkchapman · 12-23-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Maybe the plan is to cause much confusion and force people to stop using DRM? I also cannot understand how they could write the standard this way.

It's because it was written for publishers, not consumers. To publishers, it's "one file fits all", regardless of the DRM scheme applied after the document is finalized.

Kolenka · 12-23-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Show me one place on the B&N website that says any information on ePub that's needed for the customer to make a properly informed decision? Nobody has yet done so.

Maybe if you ignore B&N's website... but just saying nobody has yet to link you to it doesn't make it true, check my previous posts where I even tell you how to get to it from any eBook page.

Kolenka · 12-23-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Madam Broshkina

Can you point me to this news release? I can find the exact same quote from a recent article introducing Kobo but cannot find where it comes from B&N.

http://news.globaltv.com/technology/...989/story.html

And this is a bit of a problem, this PR is from the Kobo folks, who tried to speak authoritatively about B&N, when they are wrong. Go forward a year or so, and they will probably be correct then, but it certainly isn't correct now.

Considering Kobo launched well after B&N launched the nook, I seriously doubt the AP PR that people are quoting is even from B&N, like you say.

But now that we have other groups stating things in contradiction to Adobe and B&N, they are not helping make this situation any clearer.

kennyc · 12-23-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolenka

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But now that we have other groups stating things in contradiction to Adobe and B&N, they are not helping make this situation any clearer.

Which is precisely why B&N should be absolutely clear about what they are selling.

12-23-2009, 05:42 AM	#137
stangri Addict Posts: 352 Karma: 55400 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: YVR/BWS/PUJ Device: nook	Ok, as far as nook not being better for epub -- you can read epubs bought at B&N and Sony Store on nook, while you can't read B&N epubs on sony readers (and that is a fact). nook is better for epub, Sony PRS readers are worse for epub, go post there. JSWolf -- a huge amount of the posts in this thread are made by you and they're all about the same. B&N never told you they're selling epub on the product pages. B&N never told you they're selling product which is compatible with anything beyond what's freaking explicitly listed on every single product page. Yes, you can't read B&N-bought ebooks on other devices. Get over it. PS. nook rules all. Last edited by stangri; 12-23-2009 at 07:40 AM.

12-23-2009, 11:51 AM	#142
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,782 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Part of the problem is that there is a lot of conflicting information out there and B&N is not doing anything to help stem the tide of confusion. Show me one place on the B&N website that says any information on ePub that's needed for the customer to make a properly informed decision? Nobody has yet done so. What B&N has on their website is not going to help people (who do not know about this DRM stuff) to make a properly informed decision to buy or not to buy. That is the problem. If B&N had put something like "The ePub purchased here uses a different DRM then other stores" that would be OK. Last edited by JSWolf; 12-23-2009 at 11:54 AM.

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