|  12-14-2009, 07:08 PM | #1 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 5,187 Karma: 25133758 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3 (Past: Kobo Mini, PEZ, PRS-505, Clié) | 
				
				How to Destroy The Book - Cory Doctorow
			 
			
			Article at thevarsity.ca:  How to Destroy the Book, by Cory Doctorow: Quote: 
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|  12-14-2009, 07:46 PM | #2 | 
| Enjoying the show....            Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir | 
			
			With all due respect........if my house burns down, my paper books are gone forever. When I lost my data on my hard drive, my computer guy was able to retrieve them for me. When I get my laptop back, I will back those puppies up in at least 4 different ways. As God is my witness, I will never lose a book again!! (with apologies to "Gone with the Wind") | 
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|  12-14-2009, 08:12 PM | #3 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,531 Karma: 8059866 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Device: Kobo H2O / Aura HD / Glo / iPad3 | 
			
			Excellent read!!  Especially Part II if you're Canadian.  Thanks for the link.
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|  12-15-2009, 06:41 AM | #4 | |
| The Introvert            Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500 | 
			
			I really love this bit Quote: 
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|  12-15-2009, 07:28 AM | #5 | |
| eReader            Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad | Quote: 
 DRM-free ebooks are easy to back up - DRM ones, not so much. | |
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|  12-15-2009, 08:23 AM | #6 | 
| The Dank Side of the Moon            Posts: 35,930 Karma: 119747553 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2 & PW, Onyx Boox Go6 | 
			
			Love that statement DGM!   I too. (no not Itunes). wrt Cory......hmmmm....not quit sure what's he's on to except "the culture of the book" and there should be no DRM. I think I agree with what he is saying, but I think his dismissal of ethics is misplaced. It is ethics that is at the core of people "doing what is right" and respecting copyright. | 
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|  12-15-2009, 08:34 AM | #7 | 
| Data Privateer!            Posts: 586 Karma: 62887 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fargo ND Device: Ectaco Jetbook& Jetbook Lite | 
			
			Lemurion makes a very good point. I have part of my library backed up to a DVD.  Rest of it is on 2 seperate computers. Its complicated because I'm in the process of going through it, converting what needs to be converted. Using one system for naming, correcting as I go, trying to eliminate duplication, etc (Stephen King vs King, Stephen) Also it has kind of exploded on me, went from no Ebooks to 10gig's worth in 2 years. (What can I say, I'm a Pirate! I can't help myself.) However we also know that given a chance Publishers, artist's, distributors will not give us full rights to Ebook's we buy. They are much happier charging us a licensing fee and hold those rights themselves. And thats not even getting into how long those rights should last. There is a whole war in that one alone. The simple answer is vote with your feet. If you are concerned about losing those rights then don't buy from those who will only license. If you are concerned about Piracy, then only buy DRM books. Over time, as people learn, and choose who and what has the majority will settle out. Adjustments will be made. | 
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|  12-15-2009, 09:12 AM | #8 | ||
| Literacy = Understanding            Posts: 4,833 Karma: 59674358 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The World of Books Device: Nook, Nook Tablet | Quote: 
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 In my estimation, the keys to advancing ebooks are low price and no DRM (or a very portable social DRM). These two things will encourage readership, especially of unknown authors. I am willing to gamble a few dollars to discover whether an author is worth reading; I am even willing to have the work DRMed if the price is low enough, say no more than $2. OTOH, I am not willing to pay $10+ for any work of fiction in ebook form because regardless of whether it has DRM or not, it has no inherent value except for the value it has to me to read it the first time, assuming the writing is topnotch, and even then it has no market value because it is so easily duplicated (where's the market for first edition ebooks?). ebooks are easier to store and convenient to carry, but they have no secondary market, unlike pbooks. Absent the secondary market, it almost makes no difference whether they are DRMed or not, with the exception of those few books you may reread. Of the thousands of fiction books I have read in my life, there aren't more than a dozen or so that I have reread or thought about rereading. Consequently, I think Doctorow gives too much emphasis to the importance of ownership and too little to the importance of writing quality. | ||
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|  12-15-2009, 12:25 PM | #9 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 4,293 Karma: 529619 Join Date: May 2007 Device: iRex iLiad, DR800SG | 
			
			I thought it was the PRO-copyright activists (aka publishers and retailers) who claim the "It's a license, not a sale" stuff?
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|  12-15-2009, 12:29 PM | #10 | 
| Banned            Posts: 5,100 Karma: 72193 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South of the Border Device: Coffin | 
			
			Highly confusing and meandering article.  I wasn 't sure if he was anti-ebook or pro-fetish from all that.
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|  12-15-2009, 01:01 PM | #11 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 5,187 Karma: 25133758 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3 (Past: Kobo Mini, PEZ, PRS-505, Clié) | Quote: 
 Fair use is part of copyright law, and they're fighting against that part. | |
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|  12-15-2009, 01:15 PM | #12 | 
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			Me, personally, I'm glad to pay a reduced price for a licence to read a book vs ownership of the book.  I almost never reread a book I've already read. It's a lot like why I don't buy any movies now that I have netflix. I almost never rewatch movies I've already seen, so I'm completely happy to pay a much reduced price for a licence to view them rather than pay a much higher price to own them. | 
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|  12-15-2009, 01:27 PM | #13 | |
| The Dank Side of the Moon            Posts: 35,930 Karma: 119747553 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2 & PW, Onyx Boox Go6 | Quote: 
 I guess the same sort of applies to books in a way. I don't re-read that many, but a few I do now and then. | |
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|  12-15-2009, 02:36 PM | #14 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 5,187 Karma: 25133758 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3 (Past: Kobo Mini, PEZ, PRS-505, Clié) | Quote: 
 I re-read books, especially series. I notice details differently, based on what happens in later books. Sometimes, I notice new things in non-series books, based on real world events or whatever's going on in my life. And sometimes, re-reading an old favorite is like putting on a favorite album--I already know all the words, but the ebb & flow of emotions attached to them is a comfort. | |
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|  12-15-2009, 02:59 PM | #15 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 2,737 Karma: 635747 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Ohio, USA Device: PRS-900 | Quote: 
 For books however, I re-read books all the time. In some cases once every couple of years, it is like reuniting with an old friend and catching up with them for a week. That's why I plan un-DRMing most of the books I get that have it so I can keep them and have a better chance of being able to read them again years from now. | |
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