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It's just priceless isn't it. I also like the blowback that sometimes hit the copyright groups when they illegally monitor user's computer and run denial of service attacks on websites then get busted. These groups will do ANYTHING in their fight against 'piracy'. The attack dogs of corporations.
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A. E. van Vogt won his plagiarism case against the folks who made the various Aliens films. The screenwriters blatantly ripped off one of his finest novellas (written sometime in the 1940s, I think) for major major aspects of the first film. The damages he won in the lawsuit made him quite a wealthy man late in his life. IIRC*, he wound up with a modest percentage of gross from the first movie (on ALL aspects: exhibition, licensing, DVD, foreign revenues, the whole enchilada), and about 1/3 of that on any sequels. It worked out to more money than any of the various individual creative types (think actors, director, producer, etc.) made out of the films. Buckets of money. Xenophon *I may not be recalling the specifics correctly. What I do know for sure is that the net to van Vogt was very large indeed. It was many times more than the inflation-adjusted sum total of his prior lifetime earnings as an author -- and he supported himself and his family on his writing for more than 40 years. |
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12-08-2009, 07:18 PM | #50 |
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12-08-2009, 07:47 PM | #51 |
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So... I'm just a little curious. Do the big boys have to submit to the "3 strikes and you're banned from the internet" rule, or does this only apply to those who can't afford lawyers?
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12-08-2009, 08:30 PM | #52 |
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Nuts to that, sorry. You can easily look back to the intentions behind the Statute of Anne. It's right there in the long title:
"An Act for the Encouragement of Learning, by vesting the Copies of Printed Books in the Authors or purchasers of such Copies, during the Times therein mentioned" |
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Should we now abandon copyright and watch the artists get screwed and go broke, because you haven't been in a position to observe copyright laws utilized by anyone other than large corporations...? Quote:
Another point is that shorter copyright terms would not necessarily lead to better behavior. For example, patents are relatively short, but patent abuses abound -- ranging from pharmaceutical companies charging high prices for patented produces, or making a slight variation to an existing drug to get a new patent; to Intel, whose chip designs are patented but they still bash the competition with monopolistic practices; companies that buy patents with the hope that they can enforce the rights and collect payments. And what about abolishing copyright altogether? If that happens, then the moment an artist releases any content -- even just sending out a manuscript or screenplay to try and get it published, or sharing a short story in a class environment -- anyone could take it and do whatever they want with it without sending so much as a single red cent to the artist. I won't go so far as to say "no one will ever create anything again," but it would be extremely difficult to produce anything that requires more than $500 and a lot of elbow grease, as you'd have absolutely no way to enforce payment for what you've done. Last but not least, there is no requirement on the part of any artists to exercise any specific copyrights. As an artist, you are fully within your rights to release your content to the world, to copy freely and at will. If you have some alternate method of protecting an artists' rights, let's hear it. Offhand, while I see room for improvement in copyright and in record labels paying what they owe, I don't see how tossing out the entire system will ultimately be beneficial for anyone. |
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12-08-2009, 10:31 PM | #57 |
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They still won't give me a line number...(Something about being too tasteless even for the internet.... )
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The great thing about copyright, though, is that you don't have to be a "somebody" to have the full protection of the law. All you need is to copyright your creation, and if someone rips you off, the phone number of a half-way decent lawyer. Simply because you aren't hearing about it on a regular basis doesn't mean it never happens. |
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Let's say we eliminate all copyright. The process is completely and absolutely eliminated, all content can be reproduced at will. An author sends an unsolicited manuscript to an agent; the agent then takes it to the publisher, they edit it, publish it, and refuse to pay the author anything. Another publisher sees that the book is selling well, so they translate it into German and sell it internationally. Again, they refuse to pay the author or original publisher anything. No contracts were signed, so the author has no protection. Then, a director reads the book and thinks it will make a great movie. Since there's no copyright, she does not need the author's permission to make a movie; she does not have to pay for the rights; and she doesn't have to make any contracts with anyone. So she makes a movie, and doesn't need to pay the author a single cent. Next thing you know, there are 20 "Lord of the Ring" movies, including one in Esperanto and two set in the Star Wars universe. Now let's say someone early in the process (the author, the agent, the publisher) isn't happy about all this, so next time around they slap some DRM on it and say that anyone who wants to read "their" book(s) has to sign a contract that prevents the reader from distributing the book for the life of the author plus 100 years. If that becomes the norm, then the public is right back in the same situation as it is now. You might even lose MORE rights, as the publisher might stipulate longer contract terms and insist that you cannot reproduce the content for any reason whatsoever, including parodies and fair use and backups. If you lose your copy, then it sucks to be you and you can go buy another copy. So, got any other suggestions? |
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EDIT: I'll go even further than this prediction. I'll say that within ten years the idea of price-per-digital-cultural-object will be completely gone from our mindset. Copyright, if it even exists, will be some form of Creative Commons (but much less restrictive) and most people will abide by that copyright because of manners and netiquette and not threats of law. Also, we will have reached Mars. TV will no longer exist. And the reality-star will be a forgotten memory belonging to 'the end days' of traditional media. There will also be an ice cream that involves bacon Last edited by Moejoe; 12-09-2009 at 12:17 AM. |
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