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Taking something you want but can't afford to pay for (or just don't want to pay for) is "self defense"??? You are a troll, right? Or could you actually be serious? If you are serious, can I set up an appointment to come to your house and haul away some of your stuff?
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I teach my children awareness of other ethical systems, including the consequences of clashing with the ones most common; I don't teach them to attempt to adhere to them unless they're trying to avoid a particular consequence. Quote:
A lot of copying is legal--for parody, for review, for transformative works. And none of that copying is "taking" because it's not removing anything from the original owner. If your "ethics" say that all copying-without-permission is wrong, then parody is just as wrong as unauthorized sequels or audiobook versions. If I buy a table: I can chop it into pieces, reshape them into a chair, and sell the chair. I can make plans to make fifty more chairs, from raw materials that I'll shape like the table was shaped. I can take a lot of photos of it and post them on my blog, both before & after the chopping. If I buy a book, and cut it into pieces and rearrange them, and sell them... I can do that once. I can't do it with 50 more books that I'll type onto new paper without getting sued. I can't take pictures of the pages and post them on my blog, either. You're trying to claim that IP both should, and should not, be treated like physical property. You're claiming "theft" about actions that are not "theft" when done to physical property. Plenty of people agree that copyright infringement is *wrong.* They just don't agree that it's *theft.* Just like they agree that stealing someone's wallet from his pocket is wrong--but it's not "assault." OTOH, maybe IP infringement should be treated like "theft." You can't get fined $150,000 for stealing a single physical CD; no reason you should be fined that much for putting a single copy of it on a server somewhere. Limit the copyright penalties to the physical theft penalties, and we'll have a basis for using the same word to describe the crimes. |
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Some more information on the ACTA leaks. European Commission analysis.
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4575 |
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Copying a file ads nothing. Of course not every copy is a lost sale, some people just download because they can without ever bothering to read the items in question. They don't count in this context. But when people who actually want to read the books or listen to the music turn to free downloading then someone does get hurt. And no, not just the evil publishing corporations but their employees, the authors, bookseller employees. The list goes on and on. What you should teach your children is the concept of saying no. You try to claim the moral high ground, "those who charge too much should be punished. Apple charges obscene prices, so what have you done to put them out of business? Don't companies have costs? Wages, rent, interest, ads, etc? What is a fair profit? How do you know what is fair? |
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Copies can also be arranged in a set, in a way that creates a new meaning that wasn't possible in the original context. Fanmixes--collections of songs around a single theme--are an example of this. An anthology of stories can be made to showcase an idea or ethic; this is common in print literature, and is just as applicable to the ebook world. A set of short stories "where the villain wins" or "wherein buildings are destroyed by acid" or "wherein lost children save the day" can change the way the reader relates to any of the stories in the collection; putting them together gives a context that was lacking in their original sources. Quote:
What is *not* fair:
Copyright law should be used to enhance the creative works available to the public by protecting the interests of artists, not the people who make money marketing their works. |
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Equating downloads to lost sales is entirely different. That is directly relevant to the arguments people make when they talk about the losses due to piracy. |
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Does this apply to corporations as well, or only to the consumer? Copyright law is supposed to be a balance between artists and society. Both the "content industry" and "pirates" are trying to swing the power to their side. You can't claim one is being unethical without examining the other just as critically.
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