Kindle for PC is there

[scveteran]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

I understand perfectly. You, by your own admission, you haven't looked into why the other companies I mentioned had issues, and seen what their practices were generally called. Again, you're defending business practices which are downright unpleasant. The only real question is how much more validation you'll give to my point now.

I admitted that I didn't know anything about the other companies. Then I went and read up on them. SO I do know about them now and before I made the other post. So I do know about them both now and when I made that other post.

I am not defending those practices. What I am doing is saying that what Amazon is doing has nothing to do with the other companies. Just because you think it does, does not make it so. One is open and up front about their cost and polices. The other is not. No comparison at all.

Contrary to what you said, you obviously do not understand at all. If you did, you would not keep saying that I am defending things that I am not defending. It is just like if I said because you as a citizen of the UK and get much of your food from the ocean, that you are supporting the pirates that plague us today. In reality they have nothing to do with each other. The same with the claim that I am supporting a different company. It has nothing to do with Amazon.

I actually give you no more validation for one simple reason. Nothing you have said is based on logic.

[orwell2k]

OK, we've exposed the difference between Amazon and a catfish is that one's a bottom-dwelling scum-sucker and the other's a fish.

Scam or not, I for one will not pay for the "privilege" of using the Amazon "wireless service that's not a wireless service" for their PC application. It is clearly just an excuse to add a levy on the already overburdened and over-paying non-US customers (since it takes their so-called "free" eBooks and makes them pricey). Why not just call it a "screw the non-US customer fee" and be upfront about it? Calling it a wireless fee is insulting.

So let's get back to the really important question - where the hell is the Kindle for PC PID? That's what's needed to make the PC app really worthwhile... if you get my drift...

[Nevir]

Have any of you tried contacting Amazon about the wireless delivery charge for international folk? I mentioned this in passing when I was talking to CS for a different issue, and they seemed to think that if that charge does exist, it's likely a bug/problem with the web site (i.e. Amazon seems to agree with you - downloading to your PC shouldn't have the international Kindle's wireless delivery fee).

Maybe it's just displaying the delivery charge, but doesn't tack on the extra fee when you purchase for your computer?

[Nitrousoxide]

Originally Posted by orwell2k

So let's get back to the really important question - where the hell is the Kindle for PC PID? That's what's needed to make the PC app really worthwhile... if you get my drift...

Hear hear.

[DawnFalcon]

Originally Posted by Nevir

Maybe it's just displaying the delivery charge, but doesn't tack on the extra fee when you purchase for your computer?

I went up to the "this is the charge, please press to bill" stage with an otherwise free ebook, and it was clearly showing $2.30.

(Which is a killer anyway, being charged in $ - I get a £1 charge from my bank, so unless and until they start taking my usual workarround, paypal...)

[Argel]

My heart is bleeding for all those people who won't buy from Amazon on principle but who are waiting for the Kindle for PC PID to be uncovered. Pzzzt, ftttt, logic error, phut.

And to think that this started out as a thread that was actually worth reading.

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by Argel

My heart is bleeding for all those people who won't buy from Amazon on principle but who are waiting for the Kindle for PC PID to be uncovered. Pzzzt, ftttt, logic error, phut.

And to think that this started out as a thread that was actually worth reading.

Yeah, really devolved quickly with people who have their own thoughts and agendas.

I personally didn't buy my reader from Amazon, because of some of their policies, and because the 505 was a better fit for what I wanted. It supports stuff that I use that the Kindle doesn't (library books, etc). If the Kindle for PC PID was found, or they started selling for other readers, I'd gladly give Amazon my business.

[delphidb96]

Originally Posted by orwell2k

So let's get back to the really important question - where the hell is the Kindle for PC PID? That's what's needed to make the PC app really worthwhile... if you get my drift...

Naturally, as I currently use K4PC (on both my desktop and netbook), K4iPhone and my K2, I can't hold with your Amazon-is-a-bottom-feeder view. But it is your right to hold that opinion. Have at it!

As for the K4PC PID, yes, we NEED to find out how to determine this so we can de-DRM the .mobi version of .azw files - just so we can be assured we can access them properly. I too wish to see more research done on this!

Derek

[phenomshel]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

Naturally, as I currently use K4PC (on both my desktop and netbook), K4iPhone and my K2, I can't hold with your Amazon-is-a-bottom-feeder view. But it is your right to hold that opinion. Have at it!

As for the K4PC PID, yes, we NEED to find out how to determine this so we can de-DRM the .mobi version of .azw files - just so we can be assured we can access them properly. I too wish to see more research done on this!

Derek

Me three, Derek!

[slayda]

I keep wondering if the nomenclature "AZW1" and its relationship to the nomenclature "AZW" implies a similar relationship between the two encryption methodologies. Maybe I'm just being simple minded.

[delphidb96]

Originally Posted by slayda

I keep wondering if the nomenclature "AZW1" and its relationship to the nomenclature "AZW" implies a similar relationship between the two encryption methodologies. Maybe I'm just being simple minded.

I've read the (Admittedly quite few.) online blogs and articles on the .AZW1 (Topaz) format, and as far as I can tell, they are two completely *different* beasts!

Derek

[Kali Yuga]

Originally Posted by orwell2k

I for one will not pay for the "privilege" of using the Amazon "wireless service that's not a wireless service" for their PC application....

Since I'm not in the UK, I can't tell which books are getting the charge -- PD books, books with a $0.00 promo pricing, or both. If it's a PD book, I'm not entirely sure what the fuss is about, as those books should be available via Manybooks, Gutenberg or numerous other sites.

Otherwise, it is clear that some people do not understand (quite likely due to Amazon marketing and the vagaries of international ebook distribution) that the "Kindle International" is, at this time, primarily aimed at US users who happen to be traveling or residing abroad. This is why the international books are in English, why the Kindles are shipped from the US, why you have to pay in USD, why they're using AT&T wireless instead of O2, etc etc.

Eventually, the UK will get its own "Amazon.uk Kindle," France will get its own Kindle, and so forth, and the "wireless fees" won't apply to UK residents buying UK ebooks while they are in the UK, unless the UK wireless carriers are truly mercenary.

A UK resident who buys an "international Kindle" is essentially buying a bleeding edge product; getting socked with extra fees is unfortunate but not wholly surprising.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by Kali Yuga

Otherwise, it is clear that some people do not understand (quite likely due to Amazon marketing and the vagaries of international ebook distribution) that the "Kindle International" is, at this time, primarily aimed at US users who happen to be traveling or residing abroad.

This is not true at all.

BOb

[vaughnmr]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

This is not true at all.

BOb

Well, I'm a newbie here, but I think it IS true...
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Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding all the Kindle bashing I've seen since I joined this forum a few weeks ago.

mrv

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

Naturally, as I currently use K4PC (on both my desktop and netbook), K4iPhone and my K2, I can't hold with your Amazon-is-a-bottom-feeder view. But it is your right to hold that opinion. Have at it!

As for the K4PC PID, yes, we NEED to find out how to determine this so we can de-DRM the .mobi version of .azw files - just so we can be assured we can access them properly. I too wish to see more research done on this!

Derek

I agree, we want the PID, how about opening a separate thread for the Amazon bashers so that we do not have to read through pages of rants to get to the important stuff?