The Complete National Geographic (released Oct. 30)

[acidzebra]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Does that fact that the pre-1923 magazines are in the US public domain necessarily mean that these scans are? If I take a photograph of the "Mona Lisa" in the Louvre, it's my photograph, and I have the right to control its distribution, even though the image in the photograph is in the public domain.

The Mona Lisa is in the public domain? I'd swear it is the property of the gov't of France.

edit: no, wait, it is both :/

Anyway, here's a relevant precedent: Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. - 36 F. Supp.2d 191 (S.D.N.Y. (1999) - based on the facts of that case, which was a collection of high resolution photographs of famous antique oil paintings which Corel used in a commercial product for which they were sued by the maker of the photographs, who lost their case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgem..._v._Corel_Corp.

It is not possible to obtain new protection by re-publishing a work that has already lapsed into the public domain, unless something transformative is done, and then protection only exists as to the new material created by the transformation.

[Abecedary]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Does that fact that the pre-1923 magazines are in the US public domain necessarily mean that these scans are? If I take a photograph of the "Mona Lisa" in the Louvre, it's my photograph, and I have the right to control its distribution, even though the image in the photograph is in the public domain.

Very good point, and one that's come up a few times in recent months (the UK NPG lawsuit, Google's copyright claims on scans they've made, etc). From a legal standpoint, I'm not entirely sure it's clear whether scans from the older sets are PD or not. Of course, this is an entirely different issue from whether they should be PD or not. At the same time, if someone here were to scan in their own copies of the pre-1923 issues, they're absolutely allowed to release them under a re-distribution license if they want.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by acidzebra

I don't know about stores in the north but most of NL you can get external 1 TB drives for something like less than 90 euro.

http://www.mediamarkt.nl/webapp/wcs/...ntryId=1508677

(unless you want the itty bitty ones, those are more expensive)

Naturally, I'd want a small one, 3" by 5" lie the NG one. So, that's about the same size as my passport (2.5" form factor).

[Abecedary]

Originally Posted by acidzebra

The Mona Lisa is in the public domain? I'd swear it is the property of the gov't of France.

Anyway, here's a relevant precedent: Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. - 36 F. Supp.2d 191 (S.D.N.Y. (1999) - based on the facts of that case, which was a collection of high resolution photographs of famous antique oil paintings which Corel used in a commercial product for which they were sued by the maker of the photographs, who lost their case.

Ahh, very good to know. So it sounds like there is some precedence on the re-using/re-purposing of scans and photographs of out-of-copyright works.

[Greg Anos]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Does that fact that the pre-1923 magazines are in the US public domain necessarily mean that these scans are? If I take a photograph of the "Mona Lisa" in the Louvre, it's my photograph, and I have the right to control its distribution, even though the image in the photograph is in the public domain.

In the US, they would be in the public domain. All copyright items fall into the public domain in the US, prior to 1923. That included images, motion pictures, as well as writing. A pre-Berne artifact of US copyright law. However, I would strongly recommend that they be hosted on a US server....

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

In the US, they would be in the public domain. All copyright items fall into the public domain in the US, prior to 1923. That included images, motion pictures, as well as writing. A pre-Berne artifact of US copyright law. However, I would strongly recommend that they be hosted on a US server....

Sorry, Ralph, you misunderstand me. I am well aware of the fact that the original pre-1923 magazines are in the public domain. My question is whether a modern scan of that magazine is also automatically in the public domain. Under UK law, for example, a scan would probably have its own 25-year "typographical copyright".

[Greg Anos]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

Yeah, I pulled the files from 1888 to 1922 from the CDs just to see how big it would be, and it is 1.45 GB zipped up.



An extra 150 bucks for a 160 GB HD is highway robbery. That version should be at most $50 more than the DVD version, and even that is stretching it. Buy the DVD version, and get your own 160 MB external drive for under 50 bucks:

http://www.pricewatch.com/browse/har...s/pocket_160gb

What I want is a version on a USB flash drive when the 64 GB (the probable size that would be needed) get cheap. For no other reason than that it'd be cool to have 120 years of National Geo on something that you can close in the palm of your hand.

2 32Gb SD chips?....(Already on the market...)

[Greg Anos]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Sorry, Ralph, you misunderstand me. I am well aware of the fact that the original pre-1923 magazines are in the public domain. My question is whether a modern scan of that magazine is also automatically in the public domain. Under UK law, for example, a scan would probably have its own 25-year "typographical copyright".

US copyright law is clear on that. You gain no new copyright on an upgrade unless you actually change the content. Now whether or not they changed the content on the DVD's I can't say. It's on the Googly Bits of the US copyright sticky under upload.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

2 32Gb SD chips?....(Already on the market...)

You can get USB pendrives up to 256Gb... (the Kingston DataTraveler 300 for instance, though, don't ask the price, you don't want to know!)

[Slite]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

You can get USB pendrives up to 256Gb... (the Kingston DataTraveler 300 for instance, though, don't ask the price, you don't want to know!)

Just checked one of those, $1000+ ...

But then, you can get a 64GiB one for around $200 and thats including a 25% salestax

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Slite

Just checked one of those, $1000+ ...

But then, you can get a 64GiB one for around $200 and thats including a 25% salestax

told you not to look!

[Slite]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

told you not to look!

I know... I blame Google!

[ardeegee]

Well, here's 1888-1922. I'll leave it to the moderators to decide if the links can stay or not.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/caslp1
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bvr8u2
http://www.sendspace.com/file/y9qhxe
http://www.sendspace.com/file/iak60h
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ec0usq
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qkxxjm

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by Slite

But then, you can get a 64GiB one for around $200 and thats including a 25% salestax

You can get a 64 GB one for a bit more than 1/10th of that on Ebay.

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

You can get a 64 GB one for a bit more than 1/10th of that on Ebay.

However, much of the flash media on ebay is counterfit. It may not work at all, or if it does, it may not be as advertised.