Classic New B&N eReader $259 & will allow sharing

[Ankh]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

But, lets even go further an say that this infinitesimally small probability happens... your credit card has fraud protection, you are not liable for the charges and your CC company will issue you a new number. Yes, a bit annoying... I'll admit since it happened to me recently.

But, lets face it... stealing your wallet with all your CC's in it is exceedingly easier than stealing your nook or encrypted files and being able to get your CC number from that.

All of that is true. But, if we are facing the facts, it is neither easy, nor practical, to give up on credit card or electronic banking, for example.

I am not convinced that avoidance of this particular DRM scheme will come at such a huge cost to me.

[whitearrow]

Wow, I can't believe the only way to go through your library is that cover flow thing. That's just awful. At least on the Kindle you can see a dozen or so titles on a page.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by Ankh

I am not convinced that avoidance of this particular DRM scheme will come at such a huge cost to me.

Your double negative is confusing me.

But, if you are saying... "I don't like this type of DRM so I am not going to use it." I would say that is certainly your choice.

BOb

[rocket]

Originally Posted by whitearrow

Wow, I can't believe the only way to go through your library is that cover flow thing. That's just awful. At least on the Kindle you can see a dozen or so titles on a page.

That is not the only way to browse. There are traditional lists as well.

[phenomshel]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

That doesn't sound promising for a 1000-ebook collection, much less a 5000+ ebook collection.

No folders, no tags can mean an awful lot of scrolling. I read Harlequin romances. I tag them as "romance." I sure don't want to have to wade through my entire author list trying to remember who wrote what, and the titles are a blur of inanity. (I think Harlequin ran out of good titles in about 1982.)

I also read a lot of fanfic, and sometimes I'll download and convert an entire fest's worth of fic at a time. (Fests are writing exchange contests where up to several dozen authors exchange stories on a themed topic.) I tag those with the fest name or abbreviation--again, when I want to find them, I don't want to scroll through hundreds (or thousands!) of authors or titles, trying to remember which ones are attached to that fest.

Amazing how they hype how many books it can hold... but shy away from discussing how bad the software is at actually dealing with full capacity.

(Presumably, it'll have an alphabet to jump to authors or titles of that starting letter, because otherwise it would be too painful to even think about. But that still doesn't help finding themed collections by different authors.)

I haven't actually tried this - I have an EZ Reader, which has folders. But I read by author - so being able to sort by author would probably be at least temporarily acceptable for me. Sorting by author is how I did it across six full large bookcases when I had my big physical book collection in Texas. As long as I put the book back in the right place, I could usually walk right to it.

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by phenomshel

I haven't actually tried this - I have an EZ Reader, which has folders. But I read by author - so being able to sort by author would probably be at least temporarily acceptable for me. Sorting by author is how I did it across six full large bookcases when I had my big physical book collection in Texas. As long as I put the book back in the right place, I could usually walk right to it.

With a physical collection, you've got other info besides author's name: size & shape of book, logo of publisher, color of spine, and so on. I can spot the Harlequins in a row of sci-fi books easily on a bookshelf; I can't always spot them in a computer-generated list.

And with most ebook readers, there's the additional problem of how they get the author's name. Metadata is inconsistent--some publishers consistently arrange "lastname, firstname," but others (especially small publishers) use "firstname lastname," and freebies often have author names that are actually the name of the computer operator who formatted the Quark XPress file. (Nothing like downloading a free PDF and having it show up in the Reader as "aat small.qxp" with author "Lyn." Unless it's getting one that shows up as "15462009.v4-fin.qxp.")

I'm sure their system will work well with books bought at their store. (Especially since very likely nobody will be buying 4,000 books from their store.) The question is how well it'll work for books from other sources, and how much effort the Nook owner will need to put into managing the library.

A *good* system would let the owner click on a book, click on "edit metadata" (or "edit properties," so's not to confuse the non-techies who have no idea what "metadata" is) and change title & author to whatever they liked, to be stored in the Nook's memory.

I suspect, though, that if they'd thought that far ahead, they'd've created a tag or folder system.

[rocket]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

With a physical collection, you've got other info besides author's name: size & shape of book, logo of publisher, color of spine, and so on. I can spot the Harlequins in a row of sci-fi books easily on a bookshelf; I can't always spot them in a computer-generated list.

And with most ebook readers, there's the additional problem of how they get the author's name. Metadata is inconsistent--some publishers consistently arrange "lastname, firstname," but others (especially small publishers) use "firstname lastname," and freebies often have author names that are actually the name of the computer operator who formatted the Quark XPress file. (Nothing like downloading a free PDF and having it show up in the Reader as "aat small.qxp" with author "Lyn." Unless it's getting one that shows up as "15462009.v4-fin.qxp.")

I'm sure their system will work well with books bought at their store. (Especially since very likely nobody will be buying 4,000 books from their store.) The question is how well it'll work for books from other sources, and how much effort the Nook owner will need to put into managing the library.

A *good* system would let the owner click on a book, click on "edit metadata" (or "edit properties," so's not to confuse the non-techies who have no idea what "metadata" is) and change title & author to whatever they liked, to be stored in the Nook's memory.

I suspect, though, that if they'd thought that far ahead, they'd've created a tag or folder system.

Editable metadata seems like a great idea! I would post that here:
http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/...-p/401597#M115

[tompe]

Concerning credit card DRM. What stops you from requesting a new card with a new number and then distribute all the books you have bought with the old number?

[user_none]

Originally Posted by tompe

Concerning credit card DRM. What stops you from requesting a new card with a new number and then distribute all the books you have bought with the old number?

That's why it also includes the name on the card. That way they who the files belong to and can start investigating and or legal action.

[sircastor]

Originally Posted by tompe

Concerning credit card DRM. What stops you from requesting a new card with a new number and then distribute all the books you have bought with the old number?

Nothing, but It seems unlikely that someone would actually do this. It's too much trouble to drop a card and get a new one just for the sake of distributing a DRM locked book. It's more likely that someone will simply figure out how to strip DRM from the file, and distribute that.

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by tompe

Concerning credit card DRM. What stops you from requesting a new card with a new number and then distribute all the books you have bought with the old number?

Honesty?

[tompe]

Originally Posted by sircastor

Nothing, but It seems unlikely that someone would actually do this. It's too much trouble to drop a card and get a new one just for the sake of distributing a DRM locked book. It's more likely that someone will simply figure out how to strip DRM from the file, and distribute that.

Well, I have to change card when the magnetic strip breakes or every 5 year and I get a new number then. So in essence all books I have bought does not have any more protection.

But I see, I got the impression from people writing about this scheme that it was OK (according to the seller) to give a book to a friend if you was willing to give away the credit card number. But that was just my misunderstanding.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by user_none

That's why it also includes the name on the card. That way they who the files belong to and can start investigating and or legal action.

Thought so.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by sircastor

Nothing, but It seems unlikely that someone would actually do this. It's too much trouble to drop a card and get a new one just for the sake of distributing a DRM locked book. It's more likely that someone will simply figure out how to strip DRM from the file, and distribute that.

Actually, I can get as many CC#'s as I want using Virtual Accounts on my Citi card.

I've got to say, I really don't think people buying ebooks are the ones that are pirating them, are they?

BOb

[AnemicOak]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

I've got to say, I really don't think people buying ebooks are the ones that are pirating them, are they?

Well for a commercial unDRM'd ebook to get out to the pirate sources someone had to buy it once. :shrugs: