Classic New B&N eReader $259 & will allow sharing

[ahintz]

Originally Posted by frossie

Okay I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing.

Say we have Mr and Mrs Darcy, who share a credit card number ending in ZZZZ. They also each have their own nook.

Mr Darcy buys Volume 1 on the website using his account: Mr Darcy, bill to Mr Darcy, credit card ZZZZ. Mrs Darcy buys Volume 2 on the website using her account but the same card: Mrs Darcy, bill to Mrs Darcy, credit card ZZZZ.

Can Mr Darcy read Volume 2 on his nook?

Mr. Darcy will just need to enter Mrs. Darcy's name and credit card number when he tries to open the book on his Nook. It is one of the beauties of eReader DRM - no limits, except how far and wide you want to spread your credit card number.

Again, assuming this works as current eReader DRM works.

[juj1n]

damn. I dunno if this was mentioned already (too many pages to go thru at this point, lol) but the FAQ says that the brick and mortar stores will get display units on nov 30th... That doesn't give me any time to try it out before my order ships =(

[ahintz]

Originally Posted by DaleDe

Actually the agreement between Adobe and B&N calls for a social password which may and likely will be different from the credit card number. We will just have to wait and see what Adobe does with this.

Dale

My understanding of what is meant by a social password in this context is that is will work similar to current eReader DRM, in that you would not want to post it on BitTorrent so anyone can read a DRM'd file you upload. If a social password was like the username/password combo you use for forum sites like MobileRead, it won't do much to prevent piracy.

I honestly am not sure what other piece of identifying information they could use that would be as ubiquitous as the credit card number. Not everyone has a SSN or Driver's License number (and that is just based on identifying data in the U.S), and what other piece of data is unique to you but you would be very unlikely to share?

While the press release doesn't come out and say it, I'll be very surprised if the social password isn't the name/credit card number.

[frossie]

Originally Posted by ahintz

Mr. Darcy will just need to enter Mrs. Darcy's name and credit card number when he tries to open the book on his Nook.

Okay, I am *so* begging Adobe to build this into their DRM/SDK. That's actually how it should be. That would be a huge plus for this format.

[kacir]

Originally Posted by DaleDe

... just like you can't retrieve a password.

You can retrieve a password.
Even if it is stored as a one-way hash.
There are numerous programs (such as well known John The Ripper for unix passwords) and services (such as server in Switzerland that has database of hashes for all possible password combinations for Windows computers (there is maximum 26 letters allowed in Windows))
It can't be that difficult to brute-force CC number on a quad-core machine with more than of 4GB RAM

[user_none]

Originally Posted by kacir

You can retrieve a password.
Even if it is stored as a one-way hash.
There are numerous programs (such as well known John The Ripper for unix passwords) and services (such as server in Switzerland that has database of hashes for all possible password combinations for Windows computers (there is maximum 26 letters allowed in Windows))
It can't be that difficult to brute-force CC number on a quad-core machine with more than of 4GB RAM

Sort of but not really. You can guess the input to a hash but you won't know if it is the actual input. One way hash's are one way they are not reversible. What programs and servies like those mentioned do is take input and compare the output with what you are looking at. However, hashes are not unique in the sense that one input gives one output. Many different inputs can yield the same hash. Because it's combination if name and last digits of the credit card number the chances of guessing correctly for both is very very small. Now if you already knew one part of it (the persons name on the credit card) then you could have a better chance of getting the digits. However, it's still limited to only some of the digits not the full credit card number. At best you should only be able to narrow it down to a range of possibilities. Now this is all assuming the file gets and people start trying to brute-force it. Especially considering it would be easier to just steal a pre-approved credit card offer from your mail box.

[zorro18]

hi, am new here....nearly went for the prs-600 but decided to hang on a little longer
sigh, the urge to pre-order one is too great but .....

[desertgrandma]

From their questions site:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/


Q. Can I lend eBooks from my nook?
X Yes. With our new LendMe™ technology, you can now share from nook to nook. But it doesn’t stop there. Starting Nov. 30th, you can lend to and from any device with the Barnes & Noble eReader app, including PC, Mac OS®, BlackBerry®, iPhone™ and iPod® touch. All you need to know is your friend’s email address. You can lend many of your eBooks one time for a maximum of 14 days. When you use our LendMe™ technology, you will not be able to read your eBook while it is on loan, but you always get it back.

[Slevin]

I currently have on my kindle allot of files in the PRC format and I was wondering if the nook would support this format or would I have to find out how to convert this format to something else


Thanks

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Slevin

I currently have on my kindle allot of files in the PRC format and I was wondering if the nook would support this format or would I have to find out how to convert this format to something else


Thanks

You would have to convert your Mobipocket files to either eReader or ePub.

[GJN]

The lockout period on lent books sort of implies that you won't be able to keep a backup copy of your book on your computer. Or does your nook have to check each time you load or open a book on it whether it's been lent out?

I keep backup copies of everything I buy on my computer in calibre; it's the only way to deal with significant numbers of books until some folder system comes along. If I can't keep backups for B&N books, it's pretty much a deal-breaker for me on an otherwise attractive reader.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by kacir

You can retrieve a password.
Even if it is stored as a one-way hash.
There are numerous programs (such as well known John The Ripper for unix passwords) and services (such as server in Switzerland that has database of hashes for all possible password combinations for Windows computers (there is maximum 26 letters allowed in Windows))
It can't be that difficult to brute-force CC number on a quad-core machine with more than of 4GB RAM

Lets say first that the hash is stored. I'm not sure that it is. But, I assume it may be if you can open a 2nd ebook that is encrypted with the same CC/Name without prompting for the info again.

You would have to lose your reader. Someone that knows all this would have to get it. They would need to find a tool that contains a has db. Now, what are the odds that this tool you talk about would have the last 8 digits of a CC# and a persons name in it's rainbow table? I think slim to none.

But, let's even assume it did. All the info that person is going to get will be the last 8 digits of the password and a persons name. Certainly not going to do them much good.

BOb

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by frossie

Okay, I am *so* begging Adobe to build this into their DRM/SDK. That's actually how it should be. That would be a huge plus for this format.

According to Jim Lesters post here they are. Of course, that doesn't mean that other stores will adopt it... they may prefer sticking with the Adobe ID method.

BOb

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

According to Jim Lesters post here they are. Of course, that doesn't mean that other stores will adopt it... they may prefer sticking with the Adobe ID method.

BOb

I'm still confused by that post. I don't know if it means there is a new style of Adobe DRM for epub they will be implementing that is incompatible with existing versions or if they will be supplying DRM encrypted books that ARE compatible with existing adobe drm epub devices.

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by kennyc

I'm still confused by that post. I don't know if it means there is a new style of Adobe DRM for epub they will be implementing that is incompatible with existing versions or if they will be supplying DRM encrypted books that ARE compatible with existing adobe drm epub devices.

The new server will support both. Either will work to enable reading, however the users system will likely need an upgrade to accept both. Once all the server and devices are compatible it won't make any difference which DRM is in use, the reader will accept both.

Of course there are ramifications as to the capabilities afforded the user depending on which one the eBook has. For example the one with eReader DRM can be loaned to a friend or moved to any device.

Dale