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Old 10-01-2009, 06:08 PM   #16
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I'm not aware of how it all played out in the end: Are those George Orwell books still unobtainable for Kindle? Or was the copyright issue worked out and folks can now re-purchase the books?
THOSE Orwell books are not available.

The $10 ones from Houghton Miffllin are.

They'd imported the Mobipocket.com feed from other countries (including the ones tagged "Australia only) into the Kindle store, without checking if it was legal for that publisher to sell the book in the US.

The deletions were in none of the categories listed in the article--
a) User consent,
b) user requests a refund/doesn't pay for book,
c) judicial order,
d) virus/bad code (and this would be "in a book purchased from Amazon.")

The Orwell books were deleted on the concept of "oops--we weren't supposed to sell you that."
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Old 10-02-2009, 07:51 PM   #17
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If Amazon wants to remove a book known to have a computer virus from my system, how can that be a bad thing?
Can you actually get a virus from a text file read on a device with no ability to execute any code?
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:45 PM   #18
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Hell, I dont see the problem with it. Just because someone managed to "sell" an illegal book it does not mean that you can keep it.
Hell, go and buy a stolen bike and watch the police take it.
The only difference is that the boys in blue will not return your money
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:58 PM   #19
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Can you actually get a virus from a text file read on a device with no ability to execute any code?
Um, it is a computing device. It is executing code all the time. Otherwise it would be a fancy paper weight.

Many security vulnerabilities are data file or communication based, with lots of problems with images and videos that contain attack code.
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Old 10-02-2009, 09:12 PM   #20
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If Amazon wants to remove a book known to have a computer virus from my system, how can that be a bad thing?
Because they control it not you. You don't have a choice - good, bad, or indifferent.
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:11 PM   #22
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:14 PM   #23
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Hell, I dont see the problem with it. Just because someone managed to "sell" an illegal book it does not mean that you can keep it.
Hell, go and buy a stolen bike and watch the police take it.
The only difference is that the boys in blue will not return your money
Yeh but with buying a stolen bike at least the Police will knock on your door and say they are taking it, they don't one night sneak in, take it and leave a note on the way out. From what I have read about Amazon they're deleting the books and telling you after the fact.

IMHO it should not happen. Any company selling a product should know whether they are legally allowed to sell it.
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IMHO it should not happen. Any company selling a product should know whether they are legally allowed to sell it.
Yeah, I totally agree. They have so many layers, one of them should be able to check if they can sell it, or not. Next time, they go on and sell some plutonium to an iraqi address, or they sell Meath and Cocaine.
And then they go on and say "We didn't knew that we can't sell this stuff legally"

It is the same with virus infected ebooks. Amazon is one of the most known internet stores. Virus protection should be very high on their priority list. So before they sell an ebook, they should be able to do multiple virus checks on this files.

I am so glad that I didn't got a kindle ...
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Old 10-03-2009, 05:59 PM   #26
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Yeah, I totally agree. They have so many layers, one of them should be able to check if they can sell it, or not.
Which is why Amazon is cracking down on who they let upload books to the store. And many people on this site have their collective panties in a bunch over that. "Why can't I sell on Amazon? Waaaaaaaa!" But then everyone else complains because Amazon protects itself from a copyright infringement lawsuit.

Keep it all in perspective people.
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Old 10-03-2009, 06:14 PM   #27
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Hell, I dont see the problem with it. Just because someone managed to "sell" an illegal book it does not mean that you can keep it.
Hell, go and buy a stolen bike and watch the police take it.
The only difference is that the boys in blue will not return your money
The problem with your analogy is that the ebook isn't stolen. Here is a better one:

I bought a paper book, and it turned out to be pirated. Amazon broke into my house and took it back.
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You would find that other computer companies like Apple and Microsoft have equally invasive terms written into their EULAs. Microsoft especially has shown no hesitance in scanning your HD and sending data about your computer back to headquarters.

If you value your privacy greatly, get into linux and only use particular readers. Now I haven't seen the EULA for Sony devices or other devices, maybe check those out for some dodgy terms imo.
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Yeh but with buying a stolen bike at least the Police will knock on your door and say they are taking it, they don't one night sneak in, take it and leave a note on the way out. From what I have read about Amazon they're deleting the books and telling you after the fact.

IMHO it should not happen. Any company selling a product should know whether they are legally allowed to sell it.
Your analogy is completely incorrect, Amazon is NOT a legal authority and has no right to seize any one's property no matter what the situation, even if they are acting in good faith. It is up to the courts to rule the property as stolen. The police have the job to enforce the laws and function as directed to by LEGAL RULINGS not at the behest of a corporation or private party. Even if the police decide on their own the bike is stolen, it will not be returned to the person claiming loss, it will go into the evidence locker until such time as it is either proven to have been stolen, and if not, then returned to the person(s) from whom it was seized.
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Um, it is a computing device. It is executing code all the time. Otherwise it would be a fancy paper weight.
And with the ever-increasing capability of readers, such as the ability to read and send e-mail, perhaps such a policy could be considered forward-looking to future developments.
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