Brooklyn Library restricts access to Tin Tin book - Page 5

ahi · 08-21-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Riocaz

But you consider yourself exempt... Thanks for clarifing your position.

And I will point out again that the artist who was born in 1927 and first drew the character in 1962. And that as a Frenchman would he have neccessarily have been influenced by an American cultural caricature as anything more than as a model to base his character on. No more than the Golliwogg of Florence Kate Upton's storys were. Or Svart Pete of dutch folklore.

But then North Americans often assume their culture must be dominant over the entire planet. Look at the "controversy" over the pokemon "jynx" which was assumed to represent "Blackface" but was actually parodying the darkly tanned with blond hair and heavy make-up of the Ganguro fashion trend popular at the time in Japan.

Your condescension is childish, and your comments seem to have little relevance to the specific issue that was being discussed.

- Ahi

Ea · 08-21-2009, 12:31 PM

@Riocaz: Hergé was Belgian, not French.

Riocaz · 08-21-2009, 12:34 PM

My point is about Asterix though. And the artist Albert Uderzo is French

Riocaz · 08-21-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ahi

Your condescension is childish, and your comments seem to have little relevance to the specific issue that was being discussed.

- Ahi

I don't agree with you and won't be shouted down by your parroting your petty ideology so you resort to personal insult.

Nate the great · 08-21-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Riocaz

But then North Americans often assume their culture must be dominant over the entire planet. Look at the "controversy" over the pokemon "jynx" which was assumed to represent "Blackface" but was actually parodying the darkly tanned with blond hair and heavy make-up of the Ganguro fashion trend popular at the time in Japan.

Wow. I've never heard someone be quite so provincial about provincialism. Bravo.

Greg Anos · 08-21-2009, 01:04 PM

Here's to e-books and Public Domain!

When a book becomes digitized and PD, it passes beyond the scope of righteous-minded censors....

Riocaz · 08-21-2009, 01:20 PM

hear hear.

Amalthia · 08-21-2009, 01:49 PM

I think kids know about racisim at an early age already. I mean look at what happened to the cartoon Avatar: The Last Airbender. In the cartoon, none of the characters are white. Now look at the movie. All but one character is white and the non-white character is the bad guy in the movie. They don't need to hide the racist books from 50 years ago when stuff like this is still happening.

What type of message does this send to children and adults???

evenstr · 08-21-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Amalthia

I think kids know about racisim at an early age already. I mean look at what happened to the cartoon Avatar: The Last Airbender. In the cartoon, none of the characters are white. Now look at the movie. All but one character is white and the non-white character is the bad guy in the movie. They don't need to hide the racist books from 50 years ago when stuff like this is still happening.

What type of message does this send to children and adults???

And how about the fact that the first Disney animated movie with an African-American princess hasn't been released yet (granted, it's coming out later this year, but still.)? If I can recall correctly (and I may well be missing something), Mulan and Pocahontas are the only minority princesses, and both those movies were released in the 90s.

Riocaz · 08-21-2009, 02:13 PM

Don't forget Jasmine

And admittedly not a "disney princess" Mowgli was supposed to be an Indian boy.

evenstr · 08-21-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Riocaz

Don't forget Jasmine

And admittedly not a "disney princess" Mowgli was supposed to be an Indian boy.

I did forget Jasmine. Thanks. But still, that was another Disney movie from the 90s...

HarryT · 08-21-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by evenstr

And how about the fact that the first Disney animated movie with an African-American princess hasn't been released yet (granted, it's coming out later this year, but still.)? If I can recall correctly (and I may well be missing something), Mulan and Pocahontas are the only minority princesses, and both those movies were released in the 90s.

Don't you think that there's rather a limited scope for making films about American princesses of any hue, given their distinct scarcity?

Riocaz · 08-21-2009, 02:25 PM

And before the little mermaid (1989), they hadn't made a "princess" film since the 50s.

So they went from 3 princesses, to 8 with 3 "minority" princesses within a decade.

We've also left out "Princess Kidagakash" from Atlantis in the "not-white" pricesses list but apparently so has Disney. Though her look was supposedly south american/polynesian based on the "atlantis" of the film.

evenstr · 08-21-2009, 02:33 PM

My point was that even something considered so "family friendly" as Disney is taking its time to overcome the prejudices of the past. While the majority of Disney movies aren't overtly racist, the fact that it took Disney so long to add minority princess bears consideration.

acidzebra · 08-21-2009, 02:33 PM

Disney also never made a movie about a Dutch geek boy, bunch of freaking racists!
Does Disney have some kind of obligation to make movies with a set number of "minorities" or other special interest groups that I am not aware of?

08-21-2009, 02:25 PM	#73
Riocaz Fulfilled but not by iRex Posts: 932 Karma: 286846 Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Device: Far too many	And before the little mermaid (1989), they hadn't made a "princess" film since the 50s. So they went from 3 princesses, to 8 with 3 "minority" princesses within a decade. We've also left out "Princess Kidagakash" from Atlantis in the "not-white" pricesses list but apparently so has Disney. Though her look was supposedly south american/polynesian based on the "atlantis" of the film. Last edited by Riocaz; 08-21-2009 at 02:31 PM.

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Amalthia Wizard Posts: 1,185 Karma: 32196 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Anchorage, AK Device: Sony Reader PRS-505, PRS-650, PRS-T3, Pocketbook HD2	I think kids know about racisim at an early age already. I mean look at what happened to the cartoon Avatar: The Last Airbender. In the cartoon, none of the characters are white. Now look at the movie. All but one character is white and the non-white character is the bad guy in the movie. They don't need to hide the racist books from 50 years ago when stuff like this is still happening. What type of message does this send to children and adults???

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Riocaz Fulfilled but not by iRex Posts: 932 Karma: 286846 Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Device: Far too many	Don't forget Jasmine And admittedly not a "disney princess" Mowgli was supposed to be an Indian boy.

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evenstr Enthusiast Posts: 43 Karma: 498204 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: St. Louis Device: Kobo Aura H2O	My point was that even something considered so "family friendly" as Disney is taking its time to overcome the prejudices of the past. While the majority of Disney movies aren't overtly racist, the fact that it took Disney so long to add minority princess bears consideration.

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