Barnes and Noble ePub support? - Page 2

induna · 08-14-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

B&N can go kiss my ass. They are taking eBooks and making a mess out of them. We don't need or want yet another DRM added to ePub. We don't want any DRM. But if we have to have DRM, we want just one DRM.

Amen to that!

Hellmark · 08-14-2009, 06:41 PM

I really don't know why they're doing this. Companies have tried this time and time again, and always failed, especially when they're doing it this late in the game. A couple years ago, yeah, but not now.

dordale · 08-14-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

B&N can go kiss my ass. They are taking eBooks and making a mess out of them. We don't need or want yet another DRM added to ePub. We don't want any DRM. But if we have to have DRM, we want just one DRM.

I have to agree with this...It really doesn't make sense for B&N to try and push a different DRM scheme for ePub when there are so many readers coming out now that support Adobe Adept DRM.

dordale

Barcey · 08-14-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

B&N can go kiss my ass. They are taking eBooks and making a mess out of them. We don't need or want yet another DRM added to ePub. We don't want any DRM. But if we have to have DRM, we want just one DRM.

I'm looking forward to B&N coming out with their own reader for ePub. I don't want everyone to have to use Adobe ePub rendering, and Adobe DRM servers and pay Adobe every time I buy a ebook.

If the only way they can do this is to come out with their own eReader DRM on ePub then that's what's going to happen. They won't be doing anything better or worse then Sony/Adobe. They'll just be doing it second. Maybe third if Amazon beats them to it. Hopefully they'll be honest about it and not pretend they're using open standards.

Musicman · 08-14-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Barcey

I'm looking forward to B&N coming out with their own reader for ePub. I don't want everyone to have to use Adobe ePub rendering, and Adobe DRM servers and pay Adobe every time I buy a ebook.

I agree.

In fact, I prefer Ereaders DRM, which is not tied to a device, but to a name and credit card number.

FizzyWater · 08-14-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicman

I agree.

In fact, I prefer Ereaders DRM, which is not tied to a device, but to a name and credit card number.

Oh, me too! eReader has been my format-of-choice since 2004.

If I had to go with a different one, I would rather had Mobipocket with its changeable PIDs than to have to authenticate on Adobe's servers every time!

dordale · 08-15-2009, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicman

I agree.

In fact, I prefer Ereaders DRM, which is not tied to a device, but to a name and credit card number.

I admit, I do like this form of DRM better than Adobe's, but I think B&N will be making a mistake by using this--as none of the current devices that support ePub currently use the EReader DRM. IF B&N were to use Adobe's DRM, they'd already had a substantial customer base of folks who already own readers that support Adobe DRM.

dordale

JSWolf · 08-15-2009, 07:29 AM

if B&N use eReader DRm for ePub, I do feel that they will lose sales of the Plastic Logic reader. Also, it won't be compatible to ePubs from the library. So that there is another issue to have to deal with. People who do not strip DRM or know how or that they can strip DRM will then have to make a choice. Be tied into B&N or get a different device with ADE for ePub. We already know what bad thinks can happen via Amazon. So in this case, I'd say if B&N goes with a different DRM, they'll not be doing us or them any favors. They'll actually be giving business over to Amazon.

HansTWN · 08-15-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

if B&N use eReader DRm for ePub, I do feel that they will lose sales of the Plastic Logic reader. Also, it won't be compatible to ePubs from the library. So that there is another issue to have to deal with. People who do not strip DRM or know how or that they can strip DRM will then have to make a choice. Be tied into B&N or get a different device with ADE for ePub. We already know what bad thinks can happen via Amazon. So in this case, I'd say if B&N goes with a different DRM, they'll not be doing us or them any favors. They'll actually be giving business over to Amazon.

Exactly, and does it matter if we pay Adobe or B&N for the DRM costs? If they do it themselves it won't necessarily be cheaper than outsourcing the work to Adobe.

wachuko · 08-18-2009, 08:58 AM

I sent them an email with my suggestions/requests. I like B&N and would like to continue to support their business if they make it easy on me to also buy the electronic format books for my new reader.

I was going to buy a few ebooks to read in my computer until the Sony reader came out (PRS-600) but after finding out that they only support a limited amount of readers, Sony is not one of them, I decided not to buy any books for now...

At this time, the Barnes & Noble eReader supports downloads to a PC,
iPhone, MAC, and Blackberry.

igorsk · 08-18-2009, 09:03 AM

If B&N wants to limit their purchases, why support them? There are plenty of other shops that will be more than happy to sell you EPUB books.

wachuko · 08-18-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by igorsk

If B&N wants to limit their purchases, why support them? There are plenty of other shops that will be more than happy to sell you EPUB books.

Agreed. And that is the route I will take. But wanted to share with B&N my thoughts and hear/read what they had to say...

MerLock · 08-18-2009, 12:43 PM

I think all these different DRM schemes will just frustrate and confuse the regular consumer. They buy a ePuB book thinking it's supported on their device but they may not look carefully to make sure their reader supports the specific DRM scheme being sold. Now you aren't only just concerned about the format but the type of DRM that is used as well.

It's like owning a DVD player. You would think you'll be able to buy a DVD in your area and it will work on your DVD player. But it's like buying a DVD in your area and still having to check that your player supports the DRM on that DVD.

Even in engadget the other day, an article mentions about the Sony store switching to selling all ePuB books and that ALL devices that support ePub will be able to read books puchased there. However, they fail to mention that this is only true for devices that support Adobe DRMed ePuB.

Elfwreck · 08-18-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dordale

I have to agree with this...It really doesn't make sense for B&N to try and push a different DRM scheme for ePub when there are so many readers coming out now that support Adobe Adept DRM.

If they develop their own DRM, they don't have to pay the Adept licensing fees. Those are, I gather, rather expensive. Also, B&N may be hoping to license its method to other booksellers, either because it's cheaper, or because it appeals to more people than the license-specific-devices method.

It's possible that firmware updates for eReader's credit card DRM would be easy to write for various devices, and since Adept doesn't require exclusivity, both forms could exist on the same device.

I rather like that they're coming up with a different ePub DRM; I think this is exactly the kind of nuisance that is required to push the general public into an awareness of DRM and ebook formats.

I spend some time at Yahoo!Answers, answering questions about ebooks... and there are a lot of people who ask "I got an ebook and I get an error message when I try to open it; how can I read ebooks on my computer?" and "how do I turn my Word document into an ebook so I can sell it?" and "I want to sell my ebook; can I make it so people can't copy it?"

There's an utter lack of awareness that filetypes even *exist*, much less that DRM bits are thrown on top of those to prevent some uses of the file.

Multiple DRM methods for the same filetype is likely the only way DRM is going to get any direct attention; so far, most people think of ebooks as tied to a specific reading program you get from the ebookstore, rather than computer files that could be read by many programs if it weren't for the DRM.

MerLock · 08-18-2009, 10:13 PM

I guess the following example stresses the point about how having different DRM schemes can be confusing for the average consumer.

When asked if books sold by Amazon or B&N are compatible with the 505, the person failed to remember that when B&N sells ePub books it won't be the Adobe ePub.

"B&N: Yes
Amazon: No

They can download anything that is in LRF or ePub format, preferably ePub."

Totally confusing I think when not all ePubs are equal.

08-18-2009, 08:58 AM	#25
wachuko eBook Worm Posts: 205 Karma: 2745996 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Device: Kindle Paperwhite/ Sony PRS-505/PRS-600 Silver/PRS-T1	I sent them an email with my suggestions/requests. I like B&N and would like to continue to support their business if they make it easy on me to also buy the electronic format books for my new reader. I was going to buy a few ebooks to read in my computer until the Sony reader came out (PRS-600) but after finding out that they only support a limited amount of readers, Sony is not one of them, I decided not to buy any books for now... At this time, the Barnes & Noble eReader supports downloads to a PC, iPhone, MAC, and Blackberry. Last edited by wachuko; 08-18-2009 at 09:01 AM.

08-18-2009, 12:43 PM	#28
MerLock Evangelist Posts: 411 Karma: 1034889 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: none	I think all these different DRM schemes will just frustrate and confuse the regular consumer. They buy a ePuB book thinking it's supported on their device but they may not look carefully to make sure their reader supports the specific DRM scheme being sold. Now you aren't only just concerned about the format but the type of DRM that is used as well. It's like owning a DVD player. You would think you'll be able to buy a DVD in your area and it will work on your DVD player. But it's like buying a DVD in your area and still having to check that your player supports the DRM on that DVD. Even in engadget the other day, an article mentions about the Sony store switching to selling all ePuB books and that ALL devices that support ePub will be able to read books puchased there. However, they fail to mention that this is only true for devices that support Adobe DRMed ePuB. Last edited by MerLock; 08-18-2009 at 12:48 PM.

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08-14-2009, 06:41 PM	#17
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,592 Karma: 4290425 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Foristell, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3, Kobo Libra 2	I really don't know why they're doing this. Companies have tried this time and time again, and always failed, especially when they're doing it this late in the game. A couple years ago, yeah, but not now.

08-15-2009, 07:29 AM	#23
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,878 Karma: 146918083 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	if B&N use eReader DRm for ePub, I do feel that they will lose sales of the Plastic Logic reader. Also, it won't be compatible to ePubs from the library. So that there is another issue to have to deal with. People who do not strip DRM or know how or that they can strip DRM will then have to make a choice. Be tied into B&N or get a different device with ADE for ePub. We already know what bad thinks can happen via Amazon. So in this case, I'd say if B&N goes with a different DRM, they'll not be doing us or them any favors. They'll actually be giving business over to Amazon.

08-18-2009, 09:03 AM	#26
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,442 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	If B&N wants to limit their purchases, why support them? There are plenty of other shops that will be more than happy to sell you EPUB books.

08-18-2009, 10:13 PM	#30
MerLock Evangelist Posts: 411 Karma: 1034889 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: none	I guess the following example stresses the point about how having different DRM schemes can be confusing for the average consumer. When asked if books sold by Amazon or B&N are compatible with the 505, the person failed to remember that when B&N sells ePub books it won't be the Adobe ePub. "B&N: Yes Amazon: No They can download anything that is in LRF or ePub format, preferably ePub." Totally confusing I think when not all ePubs are equal.