observation about ADE page numbers - Page 2

HarryT · 08-11-2009, 01:03 PM

Thanks, Dale, that's interesting!

jgray · 08-11-2009, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDe

I found the answer as to how ADE creates a page number if there is no page file. It uses 1024 unicode characters per page to compute arbitrary page numbers.

FBReader does the same thing, although I don't know if the number of characters used is the same.

DaleDe · 08-11-2009, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgray

FBReader does the same thing, although I don't know if the number of characters used is the same.

FBReader uses 2048 I believe.

Dale

jgray · 08-12-2009, 02:57 AM

Don't you just love binary?

JSWolf · 08-12-2009, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

According to Abecedary's example, maybe just this?

Code:

<page-map xmlns="http://www.idpf.org/2007/opf">
<page name="" href="cover.html"/>
</page-map>

i.e., just set the whole book as a single unnamed page.

I just tried it. Didn't seem to work.

DaleDe · 08-12-2009, 01:43 PM

I have been trying to make my own page-map.xml file and I cannot get it to work. Perhaps there is something else required somewhere or I didn't do it right. I tried to follow the instructions at the top of this thread.

Abecedary · 08-12-2009, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDe

I have been trying to make my own page-map.xml file and I cannot get it to work. Perhaps there is something else required somewhere or I didn't do it right. I tried to follow the instructions at the top of this thread.

Dale, the one thing that it looks like I missed is mentioning this line that gets inserted into the 'manifest' section of the opf file:

Code:

<item href="page-map.xml" id="map" media-type="application/oebps-page-map+xml"/>

Try putting that in and see if it helps. It's what defines the 'map' that the spine tries to reference. Otherwise, I can't seem to find anything else in any of the ePub-specific files.

I'll go edit my previous post to include that line.

ahi · 08-12-2009, 03:26 PM

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DaleDe · 08-12-2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abecedary

Dale, the one thing that it looks like I missed is mentioning this line that gets inserted into the 'manifest' section of the opf file:

Code:

<item href="page-map.xml" id="map" media-type="application/oebps-page-map+xml"/>

Try putting that in and see if it helps. It's what defines the 'map' that the spine tries to reference. Otherwise, I can't seem to find anything else in any of the ePub-specific files.

I'll go edit my previous post to include that line.

thanks, it is seeing my map file now but I have some other problems. I built a partial file with just about 50 entries in it. When I do a goto page number the number I enter has to be the line number in the file and not the text number in the file. Perhaps my Hanlin (EZ Reader) does not fully support this feature. I clearly have more work to do to understand this. By the way, the page numbers on the right are gone it would seem and I still have some indication of progress in that I see 8/50 when I press the OK button. The number only increments when I get to the next entry in the file. Very interesting but not what I expected. Lots more investigation needed.

Dale

Abecedary · 08-12-2009, 04:20 PM

Hmmm. How's the desktop ADE client handle it? For the one book I have that uses the pagemap, ADE works very close to how the 505 does (not surprisingly). Also, how many characters are there between "pages" in your files? I spot checked in a few of the source files and it looks like Mr Whicher is averaging about 2100 characters per page.

DaleDe · 08-13-2009, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abecedary

Hmmm. How's the desktop ADE client handle it? For the one book I have that uses the pagemap, ADE works very close to how the 505 does (not surprisingly). Also, how many characters are there between "pages" in your files? I spot checked in a few of the source files and it looks like Mr Whicher is averaging about 2100 characters per page.

the ADE client on the PC is similar to what I see on the EZ Reader. It says that it is on page 8/56 same at my EZ Reader but just beside the display of the x/x number is a box with a page number in it. That page number is the one from the page-map file. so the 8/56 is from the line count of items in the file while the box with the page number is correct. My EZ Reader does not have a specific page number indicator on it.

I have 32 pages defined one page at a time and 7 more prefix pages with roman numerals. So the first page of the real document is the 8 page in the listing hence the 8/56. There rest of the file is only successive sections with one or two entries so they are 40 or so pages apart, varies greatly with the section. The section entries increment the count but the individual pages in the first 32 do not so I have some problem with it finding the corresponding entry in the file I still need to figure out. So it stays on 8 until it gets to 33 and then jumps to 33/56 (which is really page 62 of 760). It that clear as mud? I have a goto page number command on the EZ Reader and it will only go to the sequence numbers for the major sections such as 33 referenced above and will not go to any of the other pages so it can't find the name= or id= statements in the file for some reason. (I tried both name and id to identify the page number and the reference in the page-map file is correct.

As I say I have a hodgepodge and have to do some more investigating to figure it out. However, the page numbers in the right column do not show up, ever.

Dale

HarryT · 08-13-2009, 03:27 AM

The "Goto page x" facility on the CyBook Opus definitely uses the ADE marginal page numbers for its "goto". If you goto page 123, it takes you to the page labelled "123" in the margin.

Jellby · 08-13-2009, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

The "Goto page x" facility on the CyBook Opus definitely uses the ADE marginal page numbers for its "goto". If you goto page 123, it takes you to the page labelled "123" in the margin.

Hmmm... Does it show non-numeric pages (like xxiii) too? In that case, how are you supposed to jump there?

HarryT · 08-13-2009, 05:15 AM

If you can point me to a file which has such a thing, I'll be happy to test it out.

Jellby · 08-13-2009, 06:05 AM

Abecedary mentioned it here.

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08-11-2009, 01:03 PM	#16
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,548 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Thanks, Dale, that's interesting!

08-12-2009, 02:57 AM	#19
jgray Fanatic Posts: 554 Karma: 2928497 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Clara 2E & Sage	Don't you just love binary?

08-12-2009, 01:43 PM	#21
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	I have been trying to make my own page-map.xml file and I cannot get it to work. Perhaps there is something else required somewhere or I didn't do it right. I tried to follow the instructions at the top of this thread.

08-12-2009, 03:26 PM	#23
ahi Wizard Posts: 1,790 Karma: 507333 Join Date: May 2009 Device: none	.....

08-12-2009, 04:20 PM	#25
Abecedary Exwyzeeologist Posts: 535 Karma: 3261 Join Date: Jun 2009 Device: :PRS-505::iPod touch:	Hmmm. How's the desktop ADE client handle it? For the one book I have that uses the pagemap, ADE works very close to how the 505 does (not surprisingly). Also, how many characters are there between "pages" in your files? I spot checked in a few of the source files and it looks like Mr Whicher is averaging about 2100 characters per page.

08-13-2009, 03:27 AM	#27
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,548 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	The "Goto page x" facility on the CyBook Opus definitely uses the ADE marginal page numbers for its "goto". If you goto page 123, it takes you to the page labelled "123" in the margin.

08-13-2009, 05:15 AM	#29
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,548 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	If you can point me to a file which has such a thing, I'll be happy to test it out.

08-13-2009, 06:05 AM	#30
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,550 Karma: 19500001 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Abecedary mentioned it here.