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yvanleterrible · 08-07-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

hallelujah !! (i know, this happened ages ago. still, i couldn't contain my joy.

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now the REAL question is, when will they start acting on this conclusion ?

I think that since publishing houses have invested in DRM schemes they will go on with them until DRM is proved to make them lose money. Which is not quite the case yet.

zelda_pinwheel · 08-07-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

The CC panel was really good. Doctorow also said that a big publisher had as corporate policy not to allow creative commons publication.

you mean one specific one ? or in general ? it's not surprising either way, of course.

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

I think that since publishing houses have invested in DRM schemes they will go on with them until DRM is proved to make them lose money. Which is not quite the case yet.

hm, maybe every time we decide *not* to buy a book because of the drm, we should write to them and say we got it at the public library instead.

pshrynk · 08-07-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

The CC panel was really good. Doctorow also said that a big publisher had as corporate policy not to allow creative commons publication.

From his hints, I would say that it was probably Murdock, but that's a wild guess...

This evening's Ebook session was a bit more of the same. There were new panelists and the discussion of DRm got a bit more heated. There was, specifically, some despair that one does not "own" an ebook in the traditional sense. Nothing that has not been discussed a lot here at MobileRead.

tompe · 08-07-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

you mean one specific one ? or in general ? it's not surprising either way, of course.

A specific one.

tompe · 08-07-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pshrynk

This evening's Ebook session was a bit more of the same. There were new panelists and the discussion of DRm got a bit more heated. There was, specifically, some despair that one does not "own" an ebook in the traditional sense. Nothing that has not been discussed a lot here at MobileRead.

I noticed last year that the E-book panels did not give so much because I had seen and often participated in the discussion here on MobileRead. So I have chosen other panels than E-book panels this year.

yvanleterrible · 08-07-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

hm, maybe every time we decide *not* to buy a book because of the drm, we should write to them and say we got it at the public library instead.

Absolutely, a populist move always gets them thinking but to start such a wheel is very hard to do in this period of selfishness, and that is what they're banking on.

pshrynk · 08-08-2009, 09:46 AM

Well, I just escaped from a panel on Medieval Technology which was little mnore that noe of the panelists droning on about how superior ancient cultures were to the present day. I won't even get started on the FSO that I was sitting next to who is badly in need of a donation of a bar of soap. And the circulation system was out. Not an auspicious start to the day.

Next up: Ebooks from draft to fianl product. Then Death, Illness and Disability in Fantsy and Science Fiction. Later: We are the Knights Who Say f***!

I have some strange tastes.

Moejoe · 08-08-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pshrynk

Well, I just escaped from a panel on Medieval Technology which was little mnore that noe of the panelists droning on about how superior ancient cultures were to the present day. I won't even get started on the FSO that I was sitting next to who is badly in need of a donation of a bar of soap. And the circulation system was out. Not an auspicious start to the day.

Next up: Ebooks from draft to fianl product. Then Death, Illness and Disability in Fantsy and Science Fiction. Later: We are the Knights Who Say f***!

I have some strange tastes.

"We demand...a small shrubbery.." Ni

pshrynk · 08-08-2009, 09:49 AM

Something nice, with maybe a fence in front...

vivaldirules · 08-08-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pshrynk

I have some strange tastes.

Some Listerine might help that.

pshrynk · 08-08-2009, 11:15 AM

The Ebook from draft to final pub panel was ingteresting. They talked about the process of getting an Epublisher and marketing yourself. The Epublishing world is described as "The Wild West" and it is seen as a wide open vista. There are the resultant rustlers and train robbers, of course, but you have to be wary of that anywhere. I got some lists of e-publishers who are interested in new authors and will post them when I get back to my room tonight and eventually put them as a sticky in the Writer's Corner. MR got mentioned as a place to get info about formats, etc.

Moejoe · 08-08-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pshrynk

The Ebook from draft to final pub panel was ingteresting. They talked about the process of getting an Epublisher and marketing yourself. The Epublishing world is described as "The Wild West" and it is seen as a wide open vista. There are the resultant rustlers and train robbers, of course, but you have to be wary of that anywhere. I got some lists of e-publishers who are interested in new authors and will post them when I get back to my room tonight and eventually put them as a sticky in the Writer's Corner. MR got mentioned as a place to get info about formats, etc.

MR got namechecked? See, even Worldcon knows the mightiness of MR

zelda_pinwheel · 08-08-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pshrynk

The Ebook from draft to final pub panel was ingteresting. They talked about the process of getting an Epublisher and marketing yourself. The Epublishing world is described as "The Wild West" and it is seen as a wide open vista. There are the resultant rustlers and train robbers, of course, but you have to be wary of that anywhere. I got some lists of e-publishers who are interested in new authors and will post them when I get back to my room tonight and eventually put them as a sticky in the Writer's Corner. MR got mentioned as a place to get info about formats, etc.

nice.

that's not the first time i've heard epublishing described as "the wild west" ; in fact there was a short article on the radio here recently and a french author used precisely that expression (he also said that it wasn't a question of being "for" or "against" ebooks, because they're "simply inevitable". or did he call them "necessary" ? can't remember, and he said rather poetically "you can't stop a river with your hands" (hercules notwithstanding). it was Bernard Werber, a science fiction writer, in case you've heard of him).

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Originally Posted by Moejoe

MR got namechecked? See, even Worldcon knows the mightiness of MR

naturally.

Moejoe · 08-08-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

nice.

that's not the first time i've heard epublishing described as "the wild west" ; in fact there was a short article on the radio here recently and a french author used precisely that expression (he also said that it wasn't a question of being "for" or "against" ebooks, because they're "simply inevitable". or did he call them "necessary" ? can't remember, and he said rather poetically "you can't stop a river with your hands" (hercules notwithstanding). it was Bernard Werber, a science fiction writer, in case you've heard of him).

I think it's that Wild West attitude that makes writing now more exciting than ever before

Although I would substitute wild west with Punk (but I would say that

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zelda_pinwheel · 08-08-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Moejoe

I think it's that Wild West attitude that makes writing now more exciting than ever before

Although I would substitute wild west with Punk (but I would say that

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yes you would.

i'm not a writer but there are aspects of it which are exciting for readers too.

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08-08-2009, 09:46 AM	#52
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,726 Karma: 8255450 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	Well, I just escaped from a panel on Medieval Technology which was little mnore that noe of the panelists droning on about how superior ancient cultures were to the present day. I won't even get started on the FSO that I was sitting next to who is badly in need of a donation of a bar of soap. And the circulation system was out. Not an auspicious start to the day. Next up: Ebooks from draft to fianl product. Then Death, Illness and Disability in Fantsy and Science Fiction. Later: We are the Knights Who Say f***! I have some strange tastes.

08-08-2009, 09:49 AM	#54
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,726 Karma: 8255450 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	Something nice, with maybe a fence in front...

08-08-2009, 11:15 AM	#56
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,726 Karma: 8255450 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	The Ebook from draft to final pub panel was ingteresting. They talked about the process of getting an Epublisher and marketing yourself. The Epublishing world is described as "The Wild West" and it is seen as a wide open vista. There are the resultant rustlers and train robbers, of course, but you have to be wary of that anywhere. I got some lists of e-publishers who are interested in new authors and will post them when I get back to my room tonight and eventually put them as a sticky in the Writer's Corner. MR got mentioned as a place to get info about formats, etc.