Creating multiple ebook formats from same source files! - Page 6

nrapallo · 07-22-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexBell

PS I've found that Mobipocket often does not bold or size headings correctly when the anchor is after the hn tag, hence the comment. Is this problem overcome with XHTML 1.1?

Regards, Alex

As stated before, this is a pecularity associated with Mobipocket and can be best adapted for anchor links to Chapter headings to start on a new page with pagebreak HTML <h1>...<h6> tags:

Code:

<a style="page-break-before: always;" name="CHAPTER_I" id="CHAPTER_I"></a>
<h2>CHAPTER I</h2>

but not:

<h2 style="page-break-before: always;"><a name="CHAPTER_I" id="CHAPTER_I"></a>CHAPTER I</h2> 

and I can't recall if this works as well:

<h2 style="page-break-before: always;" name="CHAPTER_I" id="CHAPTER_I">CHAPTER I</h2>

Note that the first fragment allows the anchor tag to have the page-break attribute while retaining the following header formatting when "jumping" back as HarryT said.

The use of the name and id is my attempt to allow for a transition from HTML 3.2 to XMHTL 1.1.

crutledge · 07-22-2009, 09:56 AM

The same thing happens in BD when using Endnotes. The <a name=""> must be moved outside the <div>.

Nate the great · 07-22-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nrapallo

Code:

<h2 style="page-break-before: always;" name="CHAPTER_I" id="CHAPTER_I">CHAPTER I</h2>

Placing the id attribute inside the h2 tag is similar to how MobiCreator makes its TOC.

nrapallo · 07-22-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

Placing the id attribute inside the h2 tag is similar to how MobiCreator makes its TOC.

Yeah, and it's the interaction between the "page-break-before" property and the "id" (and "name") link that is somewhat troublesome with Mobipocket readers.

I rely solely on the Windows software Reader and can't vouch for it's behaviour on an actual ebook device.

Of the three previously listed alternatives, which ones DEFINITELY work when jumping back to the Chapter heading?

Nate the great · 07-22-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nrapallo

Yeah, and it's the interaction between the "page-break-before" property and the "id" (and "name") link that is somewhat troublesome with Mobipocket readers.

I rely solely on the Windows software Reader and can't vouch for it's behaviour on an actual ebook device.

Of the three previously listed alternatives, which ones DEFINITELY work when jumping back to the Chapter heading?

The only one I've ever used is the separate page break tag. It works fine, so I never looked for a replacement.

HarryT · 07-23-2009, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nrapallo

Of the three previously listed alternatives, which ones DEFINITELY work when jumping back to the Chapter heading?

The Mobi-specific "<mbp:pagebreak>" tag definitely works. This is what I use in all my books.

AlexBell · 07-23-2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Not really, I found it the hard way (the ePUB validator said that "name" was forbidden). The changes from XHTML 1.0 strict can be found here:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/changes.html

Thanks. I'm in the throes of changing the template XHTML 1.0 to 1.1, and checking with the W3C validator service. I guess I'll find out the same way.

Regards, Alex

nrapallo · 07-23-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The Mobi-specific "<mbp: pagebreak>" tag definitely works. This is what I use in all my books.

If I were to use your finished .prc ebook as the source for my ebook conversion into different formats via calibre and/or Mobi2IMP, then I won't need to be overly-concerned with what's coded within your .html used to create that .prc.

However, if I was using your .html to create my various ebook formats, then I would need to somehow convert any and all mobi-specific tags into their html equivalent. Which begs the question, why insert them in the first place when html code equivalants exist? I mean, using CSS it is a simple task to add to the <head> section of the .html, the following style declaration:

Code:

<style type="text/css">
  h2 { page-break-before: always; }
  .pb { page-break-before: always; }
</style>

then any and all <h2> tags will have page-breaks added to them. Or using classes just insert <div class="pb" /> instead of <mbp: pagebreak>. At worst, for the CSS-challenged

, then just insert the in-line page-break style <div style="page-break-before: always" /> instead.

I know the REB1100 uses <hr size=0> or <hr NEW-PAGE> as it's page-break tags and the .imp format uses <pb> as it's shortcut, but would never use them for html code meant to be used for other ebook formats.

HarryT · 07-23-2009, 08:41 AM

Hi Nick,

Purely because I don't know a better way, I'm afraid.

As you know, I use BD as my book editor, and BD inserts an <HR> to mark a page break. The way that I create my Mobi books is to export the BD book as HTML, and then do a series of global search and replace operations, one of which is to replace "<hr>" by "<mbp:pagebreak>". I then feed the resulting HTML to Mobi Creator.

If you can suggest an alternate "replacement" for the <hr> tag that I could do to force page breaks, I'll be happy to change my process.

nrapallo · 07-23-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Hi Nick,

Purely because I don't know a better way, I'm afraid.

As you know, I use BD as my book editor, and BD inserts an <HR> to mark a page break. The way that I create my Mobi books is to export the BD book as HTML, and then do a series of global search and replace operations, one of which is to replace "<hr>" by "<mbp

agebreak>". I then feed the resulting HTML to Mobi Creator.

If you can suggest an alternate "replacement" for the <hr> tag that I could do to force page breaks, I'll be happy to change my process.

Sure, Harry, instead of <hr> I would just use

Code:

<div style="page-break-before: always" />

I suggest that because I know BD uses <div>'s but you could also use <p style="page-break-before: always" />. Note the self terminating "/" allows this to be XHTML compliant too and avoids the need for a </div> or </p>.

Now, I can't test which works best on an actual ebook reader (don't own a mobipocket capable one) so experiment which one works (better) for you.

HarryT · 07-23-2009, 09:04 AM

Thank you very much for the advice, Nick. I'll try that and let you know the outcome!

nrapallo · 07-23-2009, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Thank you very much for the advice, Nick. I'll try that and let you know the outcome!

You're welcome.

crutledge · 07-24-2009, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nrapallo

Sure, Harry, instead of <hr> I would just use

Code:

<div style="page-break-before: always" />

I suggest that because I know BD uses <div>'s but you could also use <p style="page-break-before: always" />. Note the self terminating "/" allows this to be XHTML compliant too and avoids the need for a </div> or </p>.

Now, I can't test which works best on an actual ebook reader (don't own a mobipocket capable one) so experiment which one works (better) for you.

Nick, Do you mean for this to replace the <HR> (???) or to modify the chapter headings?

nrapallo · 07-24-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by crutledge

Nick, Do you mean for this to replace the <HR> (???) or to modify the chapter headings?

I guess it's meant to replace <hr> and signify a page-break is warranted there instead.

It won't display anything in a web browser, but on an ebook reader, it will force a new page there.

crutledge · 07-25-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nrapallo

I guess it's meant to replace <hr> and signify a page-break is warranted there instead.

It won't display anything in a web browser, but on an ebook reader, it will force a new page there.

Thanks, Nick. I'll let you know what happens.

Off the subject. When will IMP be included in Calibre?

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07-22-2009, 09:56 AM	#77
crutledge eBook FANatic Posts: 18,301 Karma: 16078357 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Alabama, USA Device: HP ipac RX5915 Wife's Kindle	The same thing happens in BD when using Endnotes. The <a name=""> must be moved outside the <div>.

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Hi Nick, Purely because I don't know a better way, I'm afraid. As you know, I use BD as my book editor, and BD inserts an <HR> to mark a page break. The way that I create my Mobi books is to export the BD book as HTML, and then do a series of global search and replace operations, one of which is to replace "<hr>" by "<mbp:pagebreak>". I then feed the resulting HTML to Mobi Creator. If you can suggest an alternate "replacement" for the <hr> tag that I could do to force page breaks, I'll be happy to change my process.

07-23-2009, 09:04 AM	#86
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Thank you very much for the advice, Nick. I'll try that and let you know the outcome!