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However, recently I bought a DVD without the 'Do not steal' video clip on it. Instead, inside the case there was a slip of paper saying' Thanks for not stealing this DVD' (or similar) -this made me feel a lot better, like they appreciated my effort to buy - a much more effective and cheaper, and less obtrusive, method of getting the same message across. |
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No it is not, and for the billionth time copying != theft. Do we really have to trudge through all the studies that show file sharing increases sales? Do we have to, again and again argue the merits of a merit less, ineffectual system that punishes the paying consumer and lets everyone else do as they please? Quote:
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True, it's illegal, but at least those (especially the ones who also buy the paper version) are trying to 'do the right thing' and ensure the author gets their bit. |
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I'd love to "sponsor" one of my favourite authors again, but I simply can't because the books I'd love to buy in ebook format aren't available. So, I went and scanned her books. Officially, I'm not allowed to do that: Quote:
I would have loved to safe me the time and trouble and buy the book in ebook format. But I wasn't allowed to do that, so I "stole" this copy... |
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With a dearth of evidence, publishers have no choice but to respond to what they do have... which includes comments from MR members of being willing to go to the darknet. Maybe if those selfsame people were regularly contacting publishers and asking for the e-books they want, instead of regularly posting here that they'll just take them, publishers might react differently. Readers and publishers are presently in an adversarial relationship. partially borne on a lack of information on both sides. Unless that changes, this problem isn't going to be fixed. |
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This statement works both ways.
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At the moment the sales of most things are decreasing, regardless of potential copying, on top of reports that sales of books have been decreasing for years before ebooks were starting to become recognised', this has been seen as an icdication thet people are reading less, not stealing more. Quote:
I think the adversarial relationship exists, becasuse the readers feel they are always being constantly accused of theft: Readers see DRM as a statement, that the publishers are not willing to trust them despite many stements that people are willing to support authors. Publishers see the resistance to DRM,as justification to their suspicions that were are all thieves. |
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So, as you said, it works both ways. |
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I don't mind if the new bestsellers are prices the same as the hardcover. But I do mind if the new bestsellers are just not brought in ebook because they first want to sell those hardcovers first... |
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There is no historical relationship between the publishers and the consumers. Having the distribution chain and retail chain disappear is forcing the relationship. The publishers have shown that they don't understand how to deal with consumers. They are using the tactics they understand and have used well when negotiating with authors and distributors one on one. Lots of vague statements about all the massive costs and complications involved. This works one on one but it doesn't work with consumers.
Amazon understands consumers very well and have done their market research. The publishers are making the same mistake the music business did with Apple. They've made Amazon into the bad guys trying to impose unsustainable pricing when really all they're doing is being the messenger. Based on the success they're having (proprietary business model and all) they got it right and almost two years later the publishers seem to be moving backwards. |
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When DRM is used to enforce proprietary incompatible formats then yes, it's evil; even worse, it's stupid and short-sighted. I expect the Tower of Babel referred to by JSWolf to eventually disappear. Naturally I'm rooting for epub, but another format may win out (VHS vs. Betamax is an obvious example of how inferior solutions may win out).
I wonder though if the use of DRM to protect revenues will eventually just fizzle out as the ebook-buying population changes from enthusiastic early adopters to "ordinary" consumers who just want to buy, read and sometimes share. Yes, I know the darknet is there, it just isn't part of my life. (Is this what is happening in the digital music market?) There are other less obvious reasons to dislike DRM - I'm having an entertaining correspondence with Pan Macmillan regarding their title "Rising '44" which has completely mangles the display of accented characters. Without DRM I could have gone in there and fixed it straight off. At least it provides a platform to tell them that DRM is unhelpful. ![]() |
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Paper may have been a form of DRM back in 1807 or something. The analogy is ridiculous and indicates how skewed your thinking has to be to accept digital DRM as a necessary evil. It's a pain in the backside for consumers, it doesn't stop piracy and in many cases makes people go to the pirate bay rather than buy the DRMed item (the reverse of their intention).
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Baen. Baen, *Baen*, BAEN.
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Baen Books sells all its e-books without DRM of any kind. And they are making a profit. If you ask them nicely, they will probably tell you how. But in the meantime, please don't spread the untruth that DRM is necessary to keep publishers getting paid for their books. Baen Books proves it is untrue, and as such it is not a constructive contribution to the conversation. Correct information is absolutely necessary for people to make good decisions. And the other thing I have been itching to say all along is that DRM usually ends up hurting innocent people (customers who have paid fair and square for their books and then don't get to use them) and doing nothing to stop real criminals (to the extent that unauthorized copiers could be said to be real criminals, but let's go with it for the sake of argument.) Hurting innocent people while doing nothing to stop real criminals sure looks evil to me. |
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I don't buy the paper = DRM argument (and no, not just because paper is not digital). Paper books being unable to be shared with all your friends is an INHERENT limitation of the medium. Nobody "crippled" paper to tone down its ability to be shared to an extent considered "sensible and sustainable;" it's just what you get when you buy physical objects. However, in a networked world (whether that network be the internet or sneakernet), digital copies of works have the inherent property of being copyable and distributable to a circle of friends for an infinitesimal cost. DRM is designed to cripple this ability, not content with merely reducing the functions of e-books to that of their dead-tree cousins, often goes further and eviscerates whatever other functions the providing company believes it will be able to get away with while still getting a high number of people to buy their books, in the name of maximizing profit.
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