Seriousness Could Netbooks Kill off the E-Reader? - Page 3

HansTWN · 07-13-2009, 04:07 AM

Moejoe, the champion of creativity, who never tires of warning us about the evils of the pursuit of money, is telling us to use a Google product (Chrome OS)? A product from the company that sucks out all our personal data and exploits it with nothing but profits and the destruction of the competition in mind? The company that represents the worst of capitalism and loss of privacy today?

HarryT · 07-13-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by doreenjoy

Also, dedicated e-readers don't have to boot up, which is a major plus in my view.

Some do, some don't. However, even the ones that do (eg the iRex devices) boot a heck of a lot faster than a Tablet PC.

Sweetpea · 07-13-2009, 06:23 AM

Killing off? No, I don't think so. There will always be people that want a dedicated device with a long battery duration that isn't difficult to use. And it's much easier to use a dedicated device than a generic device that runs several applications.

But netbooks and UMPC's will become more and more in use by electronic readers (aka, people that read electronic books). I also think e-ink (or similar techniques) will become more wide-spread and not only in dedicated devices.

Moejoe · 07-13-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

Moejoe, the champion of creativity, who never tires of warning us about the evils of the pursuit of money, is telling us to use a Google product (Chrome OS)? A product from the company that sucks out all our personal data and exploits it with nothing but profits and the destruction of the competition in mind? The company that represents the worst of capitalism and loss of privacy today?

Loss of privacy? You're making a joke, surely? You actually think we can keep anything private in the digital age...really, you're joking right, either that or deluded? And I'm not 'telling you to use' anything, but I am excited about Chrome OS, which will, despite your protestations, bring some competition to MS and Apple in the OS arena (I already use MS, Apple and Linux on that front I'm agnostic). If you're not excited about Google Chrome OS and Wave then I'd highly doubt you'd be excited by anything in the tech world.

Nice comparison though, might convince some stupid people into thinking that you actually have an argument by equating my interest in Google Chrome OS with my idealism in the face of traditional publishing. Interest in Google Chrome OS != advocation of pure capitalism.

Better luck next time

Sweetpea · 07-13-2009, 08:02 AM

Only one problem with Chrome OS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/te...pple.html?_r=1

I do applaud any new OS, as long as it's easy to use and will get driver support. Which is the main reason I've never moved to Linux.

Moejoe · 07-13-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Only one problem with Chrome OS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/te...pple.html?_r=1

I do applaud any new OS, as long as it's easy to use and will get driver support. Which is the main reason I've never moved to Linux.

I think that's why Google introduced it a year before release, so they could catch any of this legal stuff early on. I've no doubt we're going to see an MS/Apple killer coming along very soon...especially if Chrome OS goes the way of the recent instant-on linux bios systems.

As to drivers, I've always found Linux has a lot more driver support generally speaking than any other Operating System. That is to say, out of the box, on a fresh install, my experiences with Linux have been better than Windows (except Windows 7 which is pretty damn good).

HansTWN · 07-13-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Moejoe

Loss of privacy? You're making a joke, surely? You actually think we can keep anything private in the digital age...really, you're joking right, either that or deluded? And I'm not 'telling you to use' anything, but I am excited about Chrome OS, which will, despite your protestations, bring some competition to MS and Apple in the OS arena (I already use MS, Apple and Linux on that front I'm agnostic). If you're not excited about Google Chrome OS and Wave then I'd highly doubt you'd be excited by anything in the tech world.

Nice comparison though, might convince some stupid people into thinking that you actually have an argument by equating my interest in Google Chrome OS with my idealism in the face of traditional publishing. Interest in Google Chrome OS != advocation of pure capitalism.

Better luck next time

I was joking about everything except Google's motives. They are dangerous, with the thoroughness with which they analyze and store everything about each of us forever. And they are going much too far with Street View. Yes, that may be the wave of the future. I did not think that you stand for advocacy of pure capitalism, that is exactly why I was surprised that you were excited about the company that most represents unbridled capitalism in our time. Seems so much at odds with your previous comments. Google chrome was just announced and I haven't seen it, so I have no comment on it. Google's browser and Android leave me rather unimpressed. Obviously my attempt at a humorous presentation got lost somewhere. Well, I am no writer, and English isn't my first language. So please, lighten up!

Moejoe · 07-13-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

I was joking about everything except Google's motives. They are dangerous, with the thoroughness with which they analyze and store everything about each of us forever. And they are going much too far with Street View. Yes, that may be the wave of the future. I did not think that you stand for advocacy of pure capitalism, that is exactly why I was surprised that you were excited about the company that most represents unbridled capitalism in our time. Seems so much at odds with your previous comments. Google chrome was just announced and I haven't seen it, so I have no comment on it. Google's browser and Android leave me rather unimpressed. Obviously my attempt at a humorous presentation got lost somewhere. Well, I am no writer, and English isn't my first language. So please, lighten up!

I apologise. Sarcasm and humour don't travel well on the web, I fear ; I mistook your intentions.)

As to Google, yes, you're right, I do have concerns over their business (especially their dealings with China) but I have to balance that with what they offer and a level of pragmatism. They open source their product, they offer a product with minimal interruption to me and maximum benefit, and for free. Okay, I give up my privacy in the deal, but I don't know what I could do to be private anyway? TOR? Freenet? VPN's? Our social exposure is almost required to partake in the web nowadays. Do I completely ignore the good Google do because of the concerns over privacy or do I use their services and hope that their better intentions will outweigh their profit motif?

They're hard ethical questions to answer, not as easy as when it comes to my own creativity and the realtionship that has to profit. Questions I might change my mind on at any moment, dependent on what Google does.

So, to cut it short, sorry again for mistaking what you said and apologies if my reaction seemed harsh

HansTWN · 07-13-2009, 11:03 AM

No harm done!

. Well, what I do is use Google as little as possible. Of course, the others do similar things, but no other company is as thorough and going as far as they are -- that is how I see it. The reason they are so successful.

Well, not much of me is on the web yet, I googled myself and only found a small article in the NY times, of all things. So you can still have some privacy, after all we are all semi anonymous on forums, etc. IP addresses do not define us yet, fortunately.

Sweetpea · 07-13-2009, 11:32 AM

Hmm, if I google myself... Can't find a thing about me... There are a few people that have the same name (including a writer) that are on facebook and twitter... the first page that shows the actual me is page 4, with a link to classmates.com...

But then, I hardly ever use my real name anywhere. Even if I have to give a "real name", I often use my Sweetpea name

Moejoe · 07-13-2009, 11:33 AM

If I google myself I get Feedbooks and Mobileread

Luckily my name is common as muck (I actually know two other people with my name, same initials too, where I live

)

ilovejedd · 07-13-2009, 11:58 AM

Nothing comes up when I google myself... At least none that actually pertains to me.

astra · 07-13-2009, 12:52 PM

What does googling for oneself have to do with netbooks vs. ebook reader?

ahammer · 07-13-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by astra

What does googling for oneself have to do with netbooks vs. ebook reader?

this is mobileread so everything. we have moved past the limit of your "topics" based forum.

Verencat · 07-13-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ahammer

this is mobileread so everything. we have moved past the limit of your "topics" based forum.

Althought the Off Topic thread seems to be pretty much all the time on topic!

07-13-2009, 11:33 AM	#41
Moejoe Banned Posts: 5,100 Karma: 72193 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South of the Border Device: Coffin	If I google myself I get Feedbooks and Mobileread Luckily my name is common as muck (I actually know two other people with my name, same initials too, where I live ) Last edited by Moejoe; 07-13-2009 at 11:36 AM.

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07-13-2009, 04:07 AM	#31
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	Moejoe, the champion of creativity, who never tires of warning us about the evils of the pursuit of money, is telling us to use a Google product (Chrome OS)? A product from the company that sucks out all our personal data and exploits it with nothing but profits and the destruction of the competition in mind? The company that represents the worst of capitalism and loss of privacy today?

07-13-2009, 06:23 AM	#33
Sweetpea Grand Sorcerer Posts: 9,707 Karma: 32763414 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Krewerd Device: Pocketbook Inkpad 4 Color; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6	Killing off? No, I don't think so. There will always be people that want a dedicated device with a long battery duration that isn't difficult to use. And it's much easier to use a dedicated device than a generic device that runs several applications. But netbooks and UMPC's will become more and more in use by electronic readers (aka, people that read electronic books). I also think e-ink (or similar techniques) will become more wide-spread and not only in dedicated devices.

07-13-2009, 08:02 AM	#35
Sweetpea Grand Sorcerer Posts: 9,707 Karma: 32763414 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Krewerd Device: Pocketbook Inkpad 4 Color; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6	Only one problem with Chrome OS. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/te...pple.html?_r=1 I do applaud any new OS, as long as it's easy to use and will get driver support. Which is the main reason I've never moved to Linux.

07-13-2009, 11:03 AM	#39
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	No harm done! . Well, what I do is use Google as little as possible. Of course, the others do similar things, but no other company is as thorough and going as far as they are -- that is how I see it. The reason they are so successful. Well, not much of me is on the web yet, I googled myself and only found a small article in the NY times, of all things. So you can still have some privacy, after all we are all semi anonymous on forums, etc. IP addresses do not define us yet, fortunately.

07-13-2009, 11:32 AM	#40
Sweetpea Grand Sorcerer Posts: 9,707 Karma: 32763414 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Krewerd Device: Pocketbook Inkpad 4 Color; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6	Hmm, if I google myself... Can't find a thing about me... There are a few people that have the same name (including a writer) that are on facebook and twitter... the first page that shows the actual me is page 4, with a link to classmates.com... But then, I hardly ever use my real name anywhere. Even if I have to give a "real name", I often use my Sweetpea name

07-13-2009, 11:58 AM	#42
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07-13-2009, 12:52 PM	#43
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	What does googling for oneself have to do with netbooks vs. ebook reader?