Report on new firmware? - Page 14

pilotbob · 07-10-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

It can't be a full-blown computer without a keyboard. 3/4 of a computer yes, but not a full one. After all, I'm typing this response. Can't do it without a keyboard.

What? You never heard of voice input?

BOb

GeoffC · 07-10-2009, 10:57 AM

He swears he hasn't

gerraldo · 07-10-2009, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

It can't be a full-blown computer without a keyboard. 3/4 of a computer yes, but not a full one. After all, I'm typing this response. Can't do it without a keyboard.

Oh, but it has...

One on-screen keyboard you can turn on with a dedicated button and one you can use with a dock on your desk.

lmarie · 07-10-2009, 09:02 PM

Hmmm. I think adding "making tea" to the Cybook wishlist is a great idea, Harry. I'll take Fortnum and Mason Royal Blend please...

Abelturd · 07-10-2009, 11:27 PM

If the Register RegPad can dispense biscuits, I don't see why cybook couldn't make tea. These two would actually go great together.

dedo · 07-11-2009, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I'm afraid I don't agree with you. I'd say that eBook Readers will never be mass market. Whereas most people listen to music (hence there is a mass market for MP3 players), few people are "serious" readers. The overwhelming majority of my friends never read a book from one year to the next.

Well, I guess your friends have to read at least some documents or manuals, just for survival...

Jellby · 07-11-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lmarie

Hmmm. I think adding "making tea" to the Cybook wishlist is a great idea, Harry. I'll take Fortnum and Mason Royal Blend please...

It's certainly much more useful in an ebook reader than a web browser or a GPS

Tluong · 07-11-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chlorine

OK, I'll try to give an overview.
The update that was available yesterday was for mobipocket. There will be from no on two separate releases: one for mobi and one for epub. They hope to be able to provide both of them at the same time on their website, but are reluctant to announce a release date because they've announced deadlines before and been unable to meet them (the delay has to do with some validation procedure from adobe for the epub version).
The new mobi firmware has two new features : - folder support - a 'flip-through' feature.
The folder support works as I imagined it would, you can navigate through a folder hierarchy and it supports muliple levels of nested folders. YGG said he would try to put 1500 books on his cybook so we'll soon know if there are limitations in the number of folders or books per folder.

The 'flip-throuh' feature (I don't know how to call it better) allows to turn pages in a book (or in the library) quickly: if you press the next (or previous) page button and hold, the pages keep turning one by one, at a rate of one page per second approx. Very cool in my opinion.
And finally, it the cybook seems slightly faster with this new firmware!

The navigation in the menu is much faster, with the cursor moving almost immediately at keypress, and the word selection for dictionary lookup is also faster.
Also, it seems that page turn speed may have been increased but I'm not quite sure about that: it seems that when you first turn a page it takes the usual time, but if you turn one just after it's quicker. So for flicking through it might be quicker but for normal reading it might be the same.

I went to the Bookeen site only saw the Version 1.2 Build 796 old firmware update. Would you please show me where I can download the new update for Mobipocket as you stated?

netseeker · 07-11-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tluong

I went to the Bookeen site only saw the Version 1.2 Build 796 old firmware update. Would you please show me where I can download the new update for Mobipocket as you stated?

The mentioned firmware update was exclusively installed by Bookeen employees on the Cybooks of the participants of the MobileRead Paris Meet-Up. You will have to wait until Bookeen will offer the update to all Bookeen customers...

T_Frain_K · 07-11-2009, 04:37 PM

I´m sorry to interrupt like this without proper introducing myself, but I followed this thread closely and I am afraid it went into the wrong direction at times:

First: I love my Cybook. I cannot say it saved me money (you get a load of books for 300€). I did not need it, bought it and I don´t want to miss it now.

Regarding the general talking about Bookeen:
As I understood Micheal, Bookeen staff did not spend their time doing nothing, but tried to satisfy their customers with both format support, which they where unable to do, due to circumstances they have no influence on.
One surley has to appreciate the fact, they do want to bring us the new format in the first place. Any other supplier would perhaps leave you with shipping software, and sell you a new device for a new format. Bookeen could have easily done that, since the are launching the Opus next. What would be if you heard them saying, "Gen3 will stay Mobi, Opus will be ePub. Exclusively".
To me, it is great that they are still improving a 2 year old device. They are not obligated to do so. Hence, I find it just wrong to talk ill about them now.

What´s for ePub vs. Mobi, good arguments have fallen, but you all missed the most important issue:
Dictionary embedding with Mobi is great. But what is that good for when you don´t get books in that format? Have you looked at the german section of the MobiPocket site lately? You just don´t get good books there anymore, and they where scarce from the start. Any other ebook-store in german/austrian lands does sell in ePub, sometimes PDF but no Mobi (or not anymore).
Having this in mind, some of you (Mobi-users formost) might see the format switch issue from a different perspective. It is not about fonts, margins or crap - at least not for the user. It is about content.

One last thing about the mentioned upcoming update:
You all discussed about the Delete-button, and not getting ePub support.
To me, it is the enhanced display driver I am most exciting about. Faster screen switch time - cool. Again, the device is two years old. It´s like having a update for a 2 year old Windows OS, that´s doubling your CPU power. When´s that going to happen?

zelda_pinwheel · 07-11-2009, 04:46 PM

thanks for your post, T_Frain_K, you make some really great points.

welcome to the forum ! take a look around, don't hesitate to ask questions, and since you are looking for content, don't miss our ebooks upload section (click the "E-books" link in the blue bar at the top of the page). we have quite a lot in german, and all are free.

JSWolf · 07-12-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ortep

For me an eReader is a piece of hardware. Like the Cybook and the Illiad. That is why we were also discussing the OS that was running on the hardware and if different versions of the OS were adding to the confusion

No, eReader is the software to display eReader format eBooks. If we keep misusing eReader then we will yet again cause more confusion. There have been cases of people purchasing eReader format ebooks by mistake because they have a reader and people calling them an eReader and Fictionwise recommending eReader can cause confusion to people who do not yet fully understand eBooks and readers. So the proper definition for eReader is software and an eBook format. eReader is not portable hardware used to display eBooks.

JSWolf · 07-12-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gerraldo

This is some kind of joke, right?! You forgot to place a smilie...

Using your exact argumentation a MP3 player is the software used to play music files...???

Just an explanation: I compared the hardware eReader-device to the hardware MP3player-device, OK!?

eReader is not hardware. It's software. So comparing software to hardware is not a valid comparison.

gerraldo · 07-12-2009, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

No, eReader is the software to display eReader format eBooks. If we keep misusing eReader then we will yet again cause more confusion. There have been cases of people purchasing eReader format ebooks by mistake...

If we want to get picky... There is NO eReader (software) format! "eReader is a freeware program for viewing Palm Digital Media electronic books." (Wkipedia)

And regarding misuse of "eReader" or "e-Reader" - this train has left the station... just "google" it. Even Wikipedia references "Sony Reader" and "Hanlin eReader" besides eReader software.

BTW: Yeah, and there have been people putting their wet poodles in the microwave for drying... yada, yada, yada

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

eReader is not hardware. It's software. So comparing software to hardware is not a valid comparison.

What part of "I compared the hardware eReader-device to the hardware MP3player-device" was too hard for you to understand???

Final statement: I (and the rest of the world) say an eReader is (can be) a hardware device (to read eBooks), you say it's not. We disagree, that's OK with me, but can we leave it at that?!

gerraldo · 07-12-2009, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by T_Frain_K

tried to satisfy their customers with both format support, which they where unable to do, due to circumstances they have no influence on.

They're unable to provide DRMed support for both formats, but they CAN easily do it without! I'd just want nonDRM support for both formats on my device.

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Originally Posted by T_Frain_K

To me, it is great that they are still improving a 2 year old device. They are not obligated to do so.

No, they're not, but they're doing it for there own good - they need it on newly sold devices to stay in competition, but it's nice that all customers get it for free.

BTW: I'd be more then willing to PAY (look closely Bookeen) for features I want/need! E.g. reflowable PDF, nonDRM ePub and definable button support.

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Originally Posted by T_Frain_K

Dictionary embedding with Mobi is great. But what is that good for when you don´t get books in that format? Have you looked at the german section of the MobiPocket site lately?

Mobi has never been great for german books... Me, I read mostly english books (though I'm Austrian) and therefor really like the dictionary function, but I wouldn't need it for any german book. And support for english books is stll great.

But the real problem is as always DRM!!!

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Originally Posted by T_Frain_K

To me, it is the enhanced display driver I am most exciting about. Faster screen switch time - cool.

We'll have to wait and see, if it really is that much of an improvement.

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07-10-2009, 10:57 AM	#197
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	He swears he hasn't

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lmarie Dilettante Posts: 153 Karma: 500 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia area Device: EB1150, Cybook Gen3, Kobo Touch, Kobo Glo, Kobo Clara BW	Hmmm. I think adding "making tea" to the Cybook wishlist is a great idea, Harry. I'll take Fortnum and Mason Royal Blend please...

07-10-2009, 11:27 PM	#200
Abelturd Little Fuzzy Soldier Posts: 580 Karma: 5711 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nowhere in particular. Device: cybook gen3, htc hero, ipaq 214	If the Register RegPad can dispense biscuits, I don't see why cybook couldn't make tea. These two would actually go great together.

07-11-2009, 04:37 PM	#205
T_Frain_K Booyah! Posts: 673 Karma: 1753 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Austria Device: Cybook Gen3 // Samsung Galaxy S	I´m sorry to interrupt like this without proper introducing myself, but I followed this thread closely and I am afraid it went into the wrong direction at times: First: I love my Cybook. I cannot say it saved me money (you get a load of books for 300€). I did not need it, bought it and I don´t want to miss it now. Regarding the general talking about Bookeen: As I understood Micheal, Bookeen staff did not spend their time doing nothing, but tried to satisfy their customers with both format support, which they where unable to do, due to circumstances they have no influence on. One surley has to appreciate the fact, they do want to bring us the new format in the first place. Any other supplier would perhaps leave you with shipping software, and sell you a new device for a new format. Bookeen could have easily done that, since the are launching the Opus next. What would be if you heard them saying, "Gen3 will stay Mobi, Opus will be ePub. Exclusively". To me, it is great that they are still improving a 2 year old device. They are not obligated to do so. Hence, I find it just wrong to talk ill about them now. What´s for ePub vs. Mobi, good arguments have fallen, but you all missed the most important issue: Dictionary embedding with Mobi is great. But what is that good for when you don´t get books in that format? Have you looked at the german section of the MobiPocket site lately? You just don´t get good books there anymore, and they where scarce from the start. Any other ebook-store in german/austrian lands does sell in ePub, sometimes PDF but no Mobi (or not anymore). Having this in mind, some of you (Mobi-users formost) might see the format switch issue from a different perspective. It is not about fonts, margins or crap - at least not for the user. It is about content. One last thing about the mentioned upcoming update: You all discussed about the Delete-button, and not getting ePub support. To me, it is the enhanced display driver I am most exciting about. Faster screen switch time - cool. Again, the device is two years old. It´s like having a update for a 2 year old Windows OS, that´s doubling your CPU power. When´s that going to happen?

07-11-2009, 04:46 PM	#206
zelda_pinwheel zeldinha zippy zeldissima Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?	thanks for your post, T_Frain_K, you make some really great points. welcome to the forum ! take a look around, don't hesitate to ask questions, and since you are looking for content, don't miss our ebooks upload section (click the "E-books" link in the blue bar at the top of the page). we have quite a lot in german, and all are free.