Vegetarian? - Page 15

nekokami · 06-25-2009, 05:37 PM

Folks, let's remember we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Laz116 · 06-25-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nekokami

Folks, let's remember we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Ï think it's going just fine. Debates about vegetarianism tend to get quite hot... This one is only lukewarm in comparison to most.

nekokami · 06-25-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz116

Ï think it's going just fine. Debates about vegetarianism tend to get quite hot... This one is only lukewarm in comparison to most.

I'm quite well aware of that.

But we try to keep the atmosphere friendly here at Mobileread, so I just wanted to remind people that we can object to an idea without attacking the proponent of an idea.

Unfortunately, now that I've had to act as a Moderator in this thread, I'll have to exempt myself from the actual discussion.

griffonwing · 06-25-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by disney_mommy

Why?

Mainly the whole evolution vs creation thing. I'd hate to open up that can of worms in this thread.

Laz116 · 06-25-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by griffonwing

Mainly the whole evolution vs creation thing. I'd hate to open up that can of worms in this thread.

New thread new thread

or maybe not.

nekokami · 06-25-2009, 05:48 PM

I think we could skip that debate entirely.

Bilbo1967 · 06-25-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nekokami

I think we could skip that debate entirely.

Seconded!!

NormHart · 06-25-2009, 05:49 PM

Vegetarian?

No thanks, I just had one and am quite full.

Laz116 · 06-25-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NormHart

Vegetarian?

No thanks, I just had one and am quite full.

They are usually skinny, have another.

NormHart · 06-25-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz116

They are usually skinny, have another.

No, no. I am trying to cut back. I know they are supposed to be good for you. I know they say they are low in fat, low carbs, low preservitives etc etc etc. But I mean one can never tell can one? I try to stick with name brands but so much as been said about free range vegetarians...

Who are you? · 06-25-2009, 06:12 PM

Bah, you and your rules, just when I want to post an entirely disagreeable picture

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Originally Posted by nekokami

Folks, let's remember we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Laz116 · 06-25-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NormHart

No, no. I am trying to cut back. I know they are supposed to be good for you. I know they say they are low in fat, low carbs, low preservitives etc etc etc. But I mean one can never tell can one? I try to stick with name brands but so much as been said about free range vegetarians...

ha ha, very clever.

disney_mommy · 06-25-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz116

You're starting to paint a picture that farmers are evil or something like that. I disagree. Most of them just try to get by imo. The responsibility lies just as much at the big corporations of the food industry, the governments for failing to regulate the industry and ultimately at the end consumer, who in most cases don't really care that much about the well being of the animals. If we aren't willing to pay for quality, we end up with crap. It's as simple as that. However if we were willing to pay for quality we still need the government to make sure that we're actually not just fattening the wallet of the food industry but are getting a better product.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread a farmer in Denmark got about 23 pence pr chicken in the fifties, today he gets twenty pence. That is an enormous difference when you take inflation into account. The only way for the farmer to make a living today is to increase volume and lessen the time it takes to grow a chicken - at the cost of animal welfare. Ultimately the reason for this is that there seems to be a higher demand for chickens that costs 4$ but are treated badly, than there is for chicken that costs 15$ and are treated well.

I absolutely do not intend to paint that sort of picture about farmers. I know there are those out there that do things right, humanely, really enjoy it and aren't in it simply for the money. I'm just saying that unfortunately they are the small majority and are being pushed aside for the big factory type places.

However, my bottom line is I don't agree with the idea of killing animals simply for us to eat them. The bad farmer vs. big business argument is simply getting in the way of my original argument - that we shouldn't be carnivores at all.

disney_mommy · 06-25-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nekokami

Folks, let's remember we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Most definitely!

I hope nobody here thinks I'm just trying to be a trouble maker. I don't have any friends who like to have this discussion with me, so I'm enjoying hashing this stuff out.

Laz116 · 06-25-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by disney_mommy

I absolutely do not intend to paint that sort of picture about farmers. I know there are those out there that do things right, humanely, really enjoy it and aren't in it simply for the money. I'm just saying that unfortunately they are the small majority and are being pushed aside for the big factory type places.

However, my bottom line is I don't agree with the idea of killing animals simply for us to eat them. The bad farmer vs. big business argument is simply getting in the way of my original argument - that we shouldn't be carnivores at all.

It's an interesting albeit rather radical point of view. Where do you set your limit. Is it okay for us to kill animals which are a nuisance? Is it okay to bash insects? Is it ok to kill rats so they don't "flood" our sewer systems?

View Poll Results: Are you a vegetarian? (Now with more options!)
I am not a vegetarian by any means. More BACON!	63	42.57%
I eat meat but I don't do so with every meal.	38	25.68%
I am not a vegetarian but I don't eat meat more than about three times a week.	11	7.43%
I am not a vegetarian but I don't eat beef or pork. Fish and poultry are the only meats I eat.	3	2.03%
I am not a strict vegetarian but I genearlly avoid meat and eat it only about once a week.	7	4.73%
I am a vegetarian but I do eat eggs or dairy products.	27	18.24%
I am a vegan and don't eat any meat, eggs, or dairy products.	6	4.05%
I avoid buying products made from animals (e.g., leather).	13	8.78%
I avoid meat for reasons of religion, conscience, or self-discipline.	12	8.11%
I avoid meat for health reasons.	3	2.03%
I avoid meat for both health reasons and reasons of religion, conscience, or self-discipline.	10	6.76%
I am a vegetarian and don't eat any meat, eggs, fish, or any other form of non-vege items, but dairy products like milk, butter, cheese are ok.	4	2.70%
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06-25-2009, 05:37 PM	#211
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Folks, let's remember we can disagree without being disagreeable.

06-25-2009, 05:48 PM	#216
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	I think we could skip that debate entirely.

06-25-2009, 05:49 PM	#218
NormHart Semper Carpe Bufo Posts: 537 Karma: 21676 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Napa Valley, California Device: Kindle2 & Kindle3	Vegetarian? No thanks, I just had one and am quite full.