Is there an anti-LCD/pro-Eink bias on MobileRead?

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Thank you for providing a second example in this thread of how not to post.

Just becuase it's a no go for you doesn't mean you should say it's a no go for everyone.

Jon, I apologize for my snide remarks. I did understand what you meant.

Blanket pronouncements bother me. I wish more people would write their opinions in the form of opinions, not as absolutes.

[jgray]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm not saying I don't like LCD. But nobody has yet been able to answer my question. Is there a 6" or larger LCD reader that works well in direct sunlight? LCD has to work in direct sunlight or it's a no go.

I am curious as to why you insist that the screen has to be 6" or larger. You know very well that the jetBook has a 5" screen and is very readable in direct sunlight. This has been talked about already in other threads where you have asked about the jetBook screen.

I certainly can't read your mind, but from the sum total of your postings about the jetBook and Ectaco, you come across as very biased against a device that you don't own and have probably never seen.

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Is there an LCD device that is being used as a reader that can be well viewed in full sunlight that has a 6" or larger screen?

The X0 laptop from OLPC reads very well in sunlight using the monochrome high resolution mode that does not use a backlight. It has a 7.5" screen I believe.

Dale

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm not saying I don't like LCD. But nobody has yet been able to answer my question. Is there a 6" or larger LCD reader that works well in direct sunlight? LCD has to work in direct sunlight or it's a no go.

Please reread my post then, it's slightly above yours.

Originally Posted by Andybaby

The Full Time reader. They want Something that they can read comfortably on where ever they are, have long battery life, and be able to carry it around. these are our early adopters of eink who own kindles and sonys, and bebooks and astaks. for these people I ussually recommend the kindle due to their ebook store.

I am a full time reader. I have not a device with a long battery life, but I can carry it around and I don't have e-ink. So, where would you put me? That won't stop me from admitting I'd love an e-ink device, but then, I am some kind of gadget freak (only my wallet stops me from being a full-time gadget freak...)

(and I usually have a cap on when I'm outside, so the sun won't blind my eyes, but my reader can still be in bright sunlight).

[kacir]

I have been reading books from LCD screens for 5 years before I moved to e-ink.
For the last three years (almost) I have been reading on an older generation of e-ink, on Sony reader PRS-500
So when I compare backlit with non-backlit and with e-ink screen I know what I am talking about.
I *PERSONALLY* prefer reading on e-ink at the moment.

I would like to be able to compare Jetbook with the newest generation of e-ink with Epson controller.

[wodin]

Changed my mind, never mind!

[rgeorg]

Originally Posted by kacir

I would like to be able to compare Jetbook with the newest generation of e-ink with Epson controller.

So would I, actually I'd like to also compare the current eink with the future Epson-controlled eink devices. But I'll probably not spend the money to do so.

[MaggieScratch]

There are things I miss about reading ebooks on my Treo, namely being able to take notes. (Though the Kindle allows that, I think, but there are other reasons I decided to not get a Kindle.) But my eyes are sensitive to light. I have problems with glare while driving at night. My eye doctor tells me there is nothing wrong with my eyes; they are just over-sensitive to light. I can read on a backlit device for a little while, but eventually everything goes black and swimmy. I can read for hours and hours and hours on an eInk device and never feel a bit of fatigue.

I still read book occasionally on my Treo, and hope to soon on my Pre (I'm waiting for eReader), but it will only be an emergency backup sort of thing. Until we get technology that mimics the good things for me about eInk, I'll stick with eInk.

[Kris777]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

There are people that say LCD = bad, e-ink = good and nothing in between.

I agree with DaleDe that LCD are different.
For examples I had eBookman (LCD screen) and I have jetBook (TFT screen) now so I can confirm that these screens have different quality and looks very different. You can compare the quality of TFT screen with E-ink but you can't compare LCD with TFT...
I have PC with 17 inch screen, Toshiba notebook (15"), Samsung netbook (10"), iPod touch and jetBook and I CAN'T read books on PC, laptop, netbook, and iPod because my eyes tired after 10 minutes of reading but I spend several hours for non-stop reading on jetBook TFT screen and have no any problems with eyes.

I also started this topic about jetBook TFT screen to educate people about TFT screen and explain the difference between regular LCD and TFT.

[phenomshel]

For me it was portability rather than technology. I don't mind reading on my computer screen, and the vast majority of time doing it doesn't bother my eyes, the only problem with it was that I wanted something portable I could take to bed, or out on the couch. I've found myself wishing more than once that my EZ Reader either had a built in light or was backlit, as the ambient light in my house for some reason stays pretty dim. Also I find reading at night in bed, I have to lay on my side facing the light to get enough light on the display to read by - if I turn over, I can't see the screen well. I don't read outside very often, so that's really not a concern for me. Don't get me wrong, I love my EZ Reader to pieces, but I don't think I'd love it any less if it had a backlit LCD screen.

All that long winded explanation was to say: There may be a bias on MR about LCD screens, but I'm not a participant in it.

[=X=]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

For me it is not a red herring. I do use my 505 outside in bright sunlight. If a device does not work well in full sunlight, it won't work for me as a reader. In fact, I'll be using my 505 in the sun this weekend. So what LCD based (6" or better screen) reading device is good to use in direct sunlight?

Where there is Pixel Qi screen for the Acer which is a 8" screen laptop. In another demo demo they mentioned they are looking at modifying the existing Acer Aspire One laptop to make it a comfortable eReading device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ZEr...=related&pos=0

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[Andybaby]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Please reread my post then, it's slightly above yours.

I am a full time reader. I have not a device with a long battery life, but I can carry it around and I don't have e-ink. So, where would you put me? That won't stop me from admitting I'd love an e-ink device, but then, I am some kind of gadget freak (only my wallet stops me from being a full-time gadget freak...)

(and I usually have a cap on when I'm outside, so the sun won't blind my eyes, but my reader can still be in bright sunlight).

well your Between of course! everyone is in between someone when it comes to personal reading.

I'm also in between, but I'm more towards the Eink end of the spectrum, but I would love to try out a Jetbook, or grap a new Astak 5" when it comes out. I would like a slightly smaller screen. but not smaller than 4 to 5 inches.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by jgray

I am curious as to why you insist that the screen has to be 6" or larger. You know very well that the jetBook has a 5" screen and is very readable in direct sunlight. This has been talked about already in other threads where you have asked about the jetBook screen.

I certainly can't read your mind, but from the sum total of your postings about the jetBook and Ectaco, you come across as very biased against a device that you don't own and have probably never seen.

The reason I am saying 6" screen is because I don't want anything with a smaller screen. And I know there are eink devices coming out with a 5" screen just so you know it's not a bias against the Jetbook in terms of size.

As for the Jetbook, the problem with it isn't the Jetbook itself, but Etaco. It's the way Etaco seriously misrepresents the Jetbook. They give a comparison of the 500 or 505 (they get things mixed up there big time) and the K1 and get a lot of thing absolutely wrong. And then there is their request a book form on the website that says that can get any book you request for free. Also, there isn't much if any mention of no DRM support on the website. And lastly is for selling the Jetbook in BB&B where a lot of people shop who know nothing of DRM and might see the Jetbook and buy one and then not be able to do much with it because the books they want to read only come with DRM. Etaco needs to clean up it's act and get the facts out to the public in a way that's honest and truthful.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Andybaby

well your Between of course! everyone is in between someone when it comes to personal reading.

I'm also in between, but I'm more towards the Eink end of the spectrum, but I would love to try out a Jetbook, or grap a new Astak 5" when it comes out. I would like a slightly smaller screen. but not smaller than 4 to 5 inches.

I'll most certainly will grab that 5" BeBook when it finally comes out...

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The reason I am saying 6" screen is because I don't want anything with a smaller screen. And I know there are eink devices coming out with a 5" screen just so you know it's not a bias against the Jetbook in terms of size.

But that's no reason to say why people shouldn't buy a 5", just because you don't like smaller screens. 5" in my eyes is huge... I can't even imagine how a 8" or larger looks like (in terms of reading books).

[doreenjoy]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Why make all those categories? Wouldn't it be easier if everyone simply stopped saying things like "this won't work" and instead say "this won't work for me"? That way the categories are self identifying.

IMO (which stands for In MY Opinion, btw) the "for me" is implied whenever someone posts. We're all sitting alone typing our thoughts. There is no "group think" involved when someone posts. Any bias is easily seen through...again IMO.