Is there an anti-LCD/pro-Eink bias on MobileRead?

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

I think that's a red herring argument. How many people actually use their ebook reader in full sunlight?

I do that sometimes. Not everyday and certainly never in summer (but even the shade in summer can be very bright, su much that normal LCDs are almost unusable).

[tompe]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

I think that's a red herring argument. How many people actually use their ebook reader in full sunlight? I don't. Instead, I sit in the shade and read. And my Airpanel 100 is quite usable for that.

If you read while traveling you do it all the time in cars, or on buses, or on trains.

[Andybaby]

I read outside as much as possible. nothing better actually. my favorite way to read.

always wear sunglasses when its sunny. they really help.

in full sun the dark screen of the 700 is a huge bonus, as its bright as hell, but when you compare it to a 505, the 505 is like staring directly into the sun. (which indoors is a good thing)

but always try to read in the shade if you can help it. reading in the sun can hurt your eyes if your not careful. especially if you hit a glare point in the reader.

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by tompe

If you read while traveling you do it all the time in cars, or on buses, or on trains.

Does that qualify as direct sunlight? If so, I regularly use my Airpanel in the car.

[tompe]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Does that qualify as direct sunlight? If so, I regularly use my Airpanel in the car.

Eh, direct sunligt through a window will at least make my phone screen totally unreadable. And it is very hard to use a laptop in a car in sunny weather. And when traveling you often wait for buses and other think where no shade is available so you have to read in sunlight.

A couple of days ago I had a hard time reading a paper book while waiting for a bus since the paper was to white. I missed my Cybook on that occasion.

[netseeker]

Originally Posted by Andybaby

in full sun the dark screen of the 700 is a huge bonus, as its bright as hell, but when you compare it to a 505, the 505 is like staring directly into the sun. (which indoors is a good thing)

I'm used to read with my PRS-505 in the full sun and in my experience it's not "like staring directly into the sun" - especially when compared to the much more glary screen of the PRS-700. A friend of mine lent me his device over the second last weekend and although it was slightly cloudy it wasn't fun to read with it on the balcony. I never had such problems with the PRS-505...

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

I think that's a red herring argument. How many people actually use their ebook reader in full sunlight? I don't. Instead, I sit in the shade and read. And my Airpanel 100 is quite usable for that.

For me it is not a red herring. I do use my 505 outside in bright sunlight. If a device does not work well in full sunlight, it won't work for me as a reader. In fact, I'll be using my 505 in the sun this weekend. So what LCD based (6" or better screen) reading device is good to use in direct sunlight?

[Lemurion]

I've been reading eBooks for years; mostly on LCD. I now have a Sony Reader and yes I am biased. I like EInk better. It's easier for me to read, and I can read it outside much more easily than any LCD device I have used.

I'm not going to say LCD is useless, but it doesn't meet MY needs as well.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

I think that's a red herring argument. How many people actually use their ebook reader in full sunlight? I don't. Instead, I sit in the shade and read. And my Airpanel 100 is quite usable for that.

I actually read books in direct sunlight... Not during the heat of the day, but mostly at the start or the end of a day. And the hammock is underneat a tree without a perfect cover. So, sunlight will filter through as well. I don't have any problems reading then. Ok, my device is only 3.4", not 6, but it is LCD (so, according to a lot of people I shouldn't be able to read in direct sunlight...)

That Jointech JE100 should have a transflective screen (according to the specs). But we'll see about that...

[rgeorg]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Ah, but there is the difference: here you say You have problems with it. Earlier, you said that it hurts "our" eyes. Which implies mine too.

What I'm trying to say: I couldn't care less if you preferred e-ink over LCD (backlit or not). But, saying something a device is not meant for e-reading because it has a LCD screen is not a founded argument. It only means it's not the best device for all people, as some people may get eye troubles.

Reading in bright sunlight gives me a major headache. I'd never do it even with paper-books or magazines (I listen to audiobooks instead in that situation). I suppose I tend towards the comment by Sweatpea, that taking a specific opinion or even an isolated fact, and then extrapolating it to "everyone" or "in all cases" is what I tend to see when people discuss LCDs in this forum - and not much of it for eink. For example, I could say that because of the slow refresh rate of eink and the page-flashing, that any and all current eink devices are "just not ready for prime time yet." However, I have read that many people do not have problems with this, so it is my opinion and I generally do not express it, or at least try not to condemn all eink devices on that basis.

Perhaps, when people spend apx 300$ on a single-purpose device, and someone calls "their baby ugly" it raises the fighting spirit (if only to defend ones purchasing integrity)?

I don't think this is a big deal though. Intelligent people can see through any bias and find out the actual facts in the forum, and most posters seem to try to be even-handed. You quickly learn which posters fall into which type of group.

[JSWolf]

I'm not saying I don't like LCD. But nobody has yet been able to answer my question. Is there a 6" or larger LCD reader that works well in direct sunlight? LCD has to work in direct sunlight or it's a no go.

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm not saying I don't like LCD. But nobody has yet been able to answer my question. Is there a 6" or larger LCD reader that works well in direct sunlight? LCD has to work in direct sunlight or it's a no go.

Thank you for providing a second example in this thread of how not to post.

Just becuase it's a no go for you doesn't mean you should say it's a no go for everyone.

[Andybaby]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Thank you for providing a second example in this thread of how not to post.

Just becuase it's a no go for you doesn't mean you should say it's a no go for everyone.

Then Lets Define what makes a Dedicated Reading device, and dont forget, alot of people don't Need a dedicated reading device. only people who read more than, 1 book a week. or more than 40 books a year need a dedicated reading device.

Almost everyone says, It must have good battery life. I define that is 16 hours of use or more before requiring a charge.

Is Light, It shouldn't weigh more than a LB, Preferably alot Less.

It should be able to be read anywhere a book can be read, as it's a book Emulator. so this is the gambit from a dim room to sun.

As for Multi function Devices. a PSP or an Ipod Touch/Iphone make excellent Ebook Readers. as well as larger things, Like Tablets, they are finally making cheap ones thanks to Netbooks. Or Netbooks.

there are 3 categories people fall into.

The part time reader.. They need something Functional. ussually multi function device, just enough to lick their habit. I wouldnt suggest someone here buy anything more expencive than 200 bucks so Jetbook or Used PRS. if not an Iphone or Similar, Maybe even a Netbook.

The Full Time reader. They want Something that they can read comfortably on where ever they are, have long battery life, and be able to carry it around. these are our early adopters of eink who own kindles and sonys, and bebooks and astaks. for these people I ussually recommend the kindle due to their ebook store.

and the PDF reader. These are the people who want huge screens, and portability be damned!(to an extent, they want something lighter than a laptop ussually). these are the people who didn't feed their children for a month to buy their Irex device, or a Newly crowned DX owner. but I also would suggest a laptop/tablet for these people as well.

Find where you fall and the screen doesn't really matter.

[Nate the great]

Why make all those categories? Wouldn't it be easier if everyone simply stopped saying things like "this won't work" and instead say "this won't work for me"? That way the categories are self identifying.

[Andybaby]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Why make all those categories? Wouldn't it be easier if everyone simply stopped saying things like "this won't work" and instead say "this won't work for me"? That way the categories are self identifying.

no

we are all sheep, and we must be put in our pens correctly!