Will the New DX Read DRM PDF?

Lilly · 05-31-2009, 08:48 PM

My neighbor just asked me that question. I own both the Kindle 2 and the Sony PRS-505 and she's been able to play with both since I have them. I also used to own the Kindle 1 before I sold it in order to buy the Kindle 2, so she seen that one too. She always feel the screen is to small because she reads with the 4th or 5th font and she said to much page changes. She love the idea of library books and I just told her about the DX and the PDF capabilities and she asked me, will she be able to check out library books? I realize I don't know if the DX will read DRM PDF or will it be just like the Mobipocket and only read non-DRM!

JSWolf · 05-31-2009, 10:53 PM

I would be shocked if the Kindle read anything with DRM other then AZW or Topaz. Jeff Bezos will not give up control and if he allowed PDF with DRM, he would be giving up some of the control he has. I think he enjoys locking Kindle users to Amazon. The term megalomaniac does come to mind.

desertgrandma · 05-31-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

. The term megalomaniac does come to mind.

Perhaps.

However, he does not have the control he thinks he does, eh?

I"m just sayin'..........

Slow_hand · 06-01-2009, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

... I think he enjoys locking Kindle users to Amazon. The term megalomaniac does come to mind.

He is practicing good business. Amazon is one of the few big companies prospering in this recession. There are probably megalomaniacs at the head of most companies. And some even post to this forum.

HarryT · 06-01-2009, 11:48 AM

Highly unlikely that other DRM formats will be supported. It has always been the case that Mobi DRM has to be "exclusive", and that no other DRM formats are permitted on devices which support it.

Alisa · 06-01-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I would be shocked if the Kindle read anything with DRM other then AZW or Topaz. Jeff Bezos will not give up control and if he allowed PDF with DRM, he would be giving up some of the control he has. I think he enjoys locking Kindle users to Amazon. The term megalomaniac does come to mind.

Sony had the same "megalomania" until they had to find a new competitive strategy.

HarryT · 06-02-2009, 02:52 AM

But Amazon don't have any commercial need to support other formats, given that they "own" the Mobi format and have an excellent bookstore which supports it.

wallcraft · 06-04-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilly

I realize I don't know if the DX will read DRM PDF or will it be just like the Mobipocket and only read non-DRM!

We do know that it won't read Adobe DRM, from Amazon, Others License Adobe Reader Mobile SDK:

Quote:

I do want to clarify that Amazon’s integration of the Adobe Reader Mobile SDK into the Amazon Kindle DX only includes PDF support, and not support for EPUB or Adobe Content Server 4 protected content.

Note that this does not necessarily mean that Amazon won't sell DRMed PDFs for the Kindle, just that the DRM won't be from Adobe (and so Adobe-protected lending library ebooks won't work).

The KDX will read DRM-free PDFs, e.g. if you strip Adobe DRM, see Adobe ADEPT DRM for PDF circumvented (which discusses the legal issues as well as how to do the circumvention).

sirbruce · 06-04-2009, 07:48 PM

I have no reason to think Amazon plans to sell PDFs at all. The PDF support is limited.

drzeller · 06-05-2009, 09:57 AM

I suspect colleges would be hesitant to go with textbooks that are proprietary to a device like the Kindle. I would expect them to want something that could be read on PC's/Mac's as well. That may lead to PDF, or something else I suppose; or we'll see a PC/Mac-based Kindle application, similar to the availability they already have on the iPhone/Touch.

D.

sirbruce · 06-05-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by drzeller

I suspect colleges would be hesitant to go with textbooks that are proprietary to a device like the Kindle. I would expect them to want something that could be read on PC's/Mac's as well. That may lead to PDF, or something else I suppose; or we'll see a PC/Mac-based Kindle application, similar to the availability they already have on the iPhone/Touch.

You're aware that Amazon has teamed up with the largest textbook publishers to produce exactly such books for the Kindle, yes?

drzeller · 06-05-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sirbruce

You're aware that Amazon has teamed up with the largest textbook publishers to produce exactly such books for the Kindle, yes?

Yes, and my point was that I suspect that either the books will either be DRM'd PDF readable on the Kindle, or that there will be way to read the Kindle format on PC's/Mac's. I don't see the schools and/or publishers limiting the accessibility of the textbooks to just Kindles.

D.

pilotbob · 06-05-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sirbruce

I have no reason to think Amazon plans to sell PDFs at all. The PDF support is limited.

Keep in mind Amazon has topaz... which is more PDF like than the Mobi(azw) books that they mostly sell now.

They might go that route for text books... and "so far" topaz DRM can't be removed.

BOb

drzeller · 06-05-2009, 05:19 PM

I had a conversation with an old friend who is a college professor now. I tossed out the idea that perhaps the electronic text books should be distributed to all students who take the class, for a standard fee paid for as part of taking the class. No issues with resale, no issues with DRM, etc. Using Lulu or some such service, they could print a paper copy if they wanted to. I would think this arrangement would work well for the publishers, since they have a guaranteed revenue stream, no more used sales, no concerns about DRM, etc.

D.

05-31-2009, 08:48 PM	#1
Lilly Guru Posts: 688 Karma: 2090 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Sony PRS-505, PRS-900 & PRS-950, Amazon Kindle2	Will the New DX Read DRM PDF? My neighbor just asked me that question. I own both the Kindle 2 and the Sony PRS-505 and she's been able to play with both since I have them. I also used to own the Kindle 1 before I sold it in order to buy the Kindle 2, so she seen that one too. She always feel the screen is to small because she reads with the 4th or 5th font and she said to much page changes. She love the idea of library books and I just told her about the DX and the PDF capabilities and she asked me, will she be able to check out library books? I realize I don't know if the DX will read DRM PDF or will it be just like the Mobipocket and only read non-DRM!

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05-31-2009, 10:53 PM	#2
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,000 Karma: 144284074 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I would be shocked if the Kindle read anything with DRM other then AZW or Topaz. Jeff Bezos will not give up control and if he allowed PDF with DRM, he would be giving up some of the control he has. I think he enjoys locking Kindle users to Amazon. The term megalomaniac does come to mind.

06-01-2009, 11:48 AM	#5
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Highly unlikely that other DRM formats will be supported. It has always been the case that Mobi DRM has to be "exclusive", and that no other DRM formats are permitted on devices which support it.

06-02-2009, 02:52 AM	#7
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	But Amazon don't have any commercial need to support other formats, given that they "own" the Mobi format and have an excellent bookstore which supports it.

06-04-2009, 07:48 PM	#9
sirbruce Provocateur Posts: 1,859 Karma: 505847 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Device: Kindle Touch, Kindle 2, Kindle DX, iPhone 3GS	I have no reason to think Amazon plans to sell PDFs at all. The PDF support is limited.

06-05-2009, 09:57 AM	#10
drzeller Member Posts: 24 Karma: 76 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: PC, Windows Mobile Phones	I suspect colleges would be hesitant to go with textbooks that are proprietary to a device like the Kindle. I would expect them to want something that could be read on PC's/Mac's as well. That may lead to PDF, or something else I suppose; or we'll see a PC/Mac-based Kindle application, similar to the availability they already have on the iPhone/Touch. D.

06-05-2009, 05:19 PM	#14
drzeller Member Posts: 24 Karma: 76 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: PC, Windows Mobile Phones	I had a conversation with an old friend who is a college professor now. I tossed out the idea that perhaps the electronic text books should be distributed to all students who take the class, for a standard fee paid for as part of taking the class. No issues with resale, no issues with DRM, etc. Using Lulu or some such service, they could print a paper copy if they wanted to. I would think this arrangement would work well for the publishers, since they have a guaranteed revenue stream, no more used sales, no concerns about DRM, etc. D.