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			Washington Post article: © 2009? Wishful Thinking, Perhaps, as Backlog Mounts 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			The thing with copyright registration is that it's not even strictly required.  An eligible work has copyright protection the minute it's fixed in tangible form (written, recorded, whatever).   
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			Registration provides proof of dating and is necessary to file a lawsuit, but you don't need copyright registration before, for example, you publish a book, in order to assert protection later. There are other ways to establish dating of a work for later protection as well. For example, the songwriter in this article could make a videotape of herself performing the songs after identifying, say, that day's newspaper to the camera and then keeping it within the frame. I think any court would accept that later on as evidence of when she wrote/performed the songs. Last edited by whitearrow; 05-20-2009 at 08:43 PM.  | 
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			If your copyright is not registered, you can only sue for actual damages, not punitive damages.  So really it is pretty much a requirement to get something registered before you start selling it commercially or you can expect to be screwed.
		 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			You are mistaken; a notice of copyright is no longer required. Things are automatically copyrighted when they are placed in a "fixed format." This has led to 30+ years of auto-copyrighted material with no identifiable copyright owner.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	However, registration is required for full legal protection. Without registration, the ability to sue someone for misuse of your copyright is very limited.  | 
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			Elfwreck is correct.
		 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			Only true in the United States. Most countries do not have any concept of "registering" a copyright. It's simply something that the creator of a work automatically "acquires".
		 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			Germany e.g. distinguishes very clear between creator's rights and the legal right of use. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Creator's rights are valid as soon as a work exists in fixed form. The creator then may license a legal right of use to one or more publishers (okay, usually one, but this is not imperative). The publisher himself never may own or buy or acquire the creator's rights. It's only necessary in Germany to register for a trade mark. Or to secure the title of a book. And this is usually done by the publisher to secure his legal claim.  | 
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			We're naturally talking about the US here; this is a US Copyright Office story.
		 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			The copyright notice (c) commonly seen only asserts that the copyright holder is aware of his/her rights under law.  Elfwreck is correct that no notice is required - all original material is legally copyrighted when put in a fixed form. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	I'm not so sure that the ability to sue for punitive damages against copyright is a good thing, anyway. It's not like medical or legal malpractice where lives or health are at stake. If someone illegally profits from your work, then yes, getting your own money back is a good thing, but I don't see how Society benefits from excessivley punishing a recoverable economic loss.  | 
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 It's also a way of punishing deliberately unethical behavior that isn't strictly illegal. Most of us acknowledge a difference between a mistake--perhaps thinking a set of lyrics were in the public domain, or believing a contract had been signed that handed over full rights for an initial fee--and outright scams--soliciting teens & college students to send in lyrics for "review and evaluation," and grabbing the ones that look good and hoping the authors won't be able to do anything about it later, when they find their song on MTV. Punitive damages allows us to say, "some legal actions are more reprehensible than others, when tied into a crime." They also allow us to say, "some crimes are more harmful than the specific dollar amount that went to the wrong person." Copyright violations can erode the trust in publishers, which authors need to sign contracts. Without that trust, authors might not publish, or choose more limited venues. Since the purpose of copyright (in the US) is to "promote progress in the sciences and useful arts," actions that impede that progress should be punished more than technical violations that only cost someone income.  | 
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			Only getting "actual damages" means you get screwed?  That's an interesting viewpoint.
		 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 My interpretation of what khalleron said is that he didn't think punitive damages in a civil case were necessarily a good thing. Does not registering the copyright also limit the government's prosecution during a criminal case? I wouldn't think so, but I don't know for sure.  | 
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