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Old 05-19-2009, 08:03 PM   #16
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Sony did have a link for self publishing, but the last time I checked it was more of a place holder link. So as of today I do not belive there is a way to directly publish your own LRX book. You probably have to go through SONY a publishing company.
Amazon does have a program for self publishing.

MOBI/eReader software do have free tools where DRM can be applied. However you might still have to license with a DRM distributor like overdrive.

Google "DropBook" and "MobiCreator" for tools in creating your own MOBI eBook and eReader eBook.


On an I think your counting your chickens before they hatch. My suggesting however is you worry more about writing a book that is worth buying vs looking to protect it with DRM.

I'd recommend you refrain from debating the merits of DRM, this site has a very anti-DRM stance, including myself, you will not be convinced it is bad nor will you convince anybody that it is good.
If you poke around here you will see that this site also has a zero tolerance for illegal activity, not for fear of the law but for respect of CopyRights. To accuse the vast majority of this board including the moderators of being thieves because the do not care for DRM is just not a nice thing to do.



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DRM doesn't make the book hard to use. Prove it!
I have a strong suspicion you do not read eBooks much.

Sure I have a smartphone that supports eReader/MOBI DRM. I also have the SONY PRS-505. If I buy a book from SONY I cannot read it on my phone. If I buy a book from BooksOnBoard/Fictionwise I can read it on my phone but not on my PRS-505. If I buy a paper back I can read it wherever I go.

But the woes of DRM don't end there. The application of DRM on a book can render the book useless. It happened to me on a $35 dollar PDF book. I can no longer access this book because ADOBE quit supporting their old DRM scheme for a new one. I no longer have access to an indispensable book.

In the end you got to do what feels right for you, it's your choice and your product. Just understand the advice people are giving you here is not that of a pack of wolfs trying to get their hand on you "precious work" but from consumers whom have been burn numerous times from DRM.

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Old 05-19-2009, 08:09 PM   #17
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I have found a way to copy and reproduce the Sony PRS 505 with out it costing a thing. I plan on putting these copies out in front of my house for anyone to take who wants one. I mean after all, this won't hurt the Sony's sale of these items In fact it will make Sony more money because I have provided free copies and now no one has to buy one! Get real! your conclusions are invalid because your logic is invalid. I think all you want is a free lunch. Every since I was 10 years old I have been dreaming such a day as this would come. Personal computers, cell phones, and ebooks were just a dream in 1950. I won't let selfish thinking like yours spoil that dream. I believe in socialism up to a point, but when everything is free, what's the point of working? I guess I just don't understand the "ME" generation.
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I have found a way to copy and reproduce the Sony PRS 505 with out it costing a thing. I plan on putting these copies out in front of my house for anyone to take who wants one. I mean after all, this won't hurt the Sony's sale of these items In fact it will make Sony more money because I have provided free copies and now no one has to buy one! Get real! your conclusions are invalid because your logic is invalid. I think all you want is a free lunch. Every since I was 10 years old I have been dreaming such a day as this would come. Personal computers, cell phones, and ebooks were just a dream in 1950. I won't let selfish thinking like yours spoil that dream. I believe in socialism up to a point, but when everything is free, what's the point of working? I guess I just don't understand the "ME" generation.
I'm sorry you have such a negative view of people. Very few, if any of us are out to steal.

Take a look at this thread on the release of the Lord of the Rings trilogy in ebook form. As you read through the thread you'll see how many people who refused to download illegal copies from the darknet, jumped at the chance to PAY for legitimate copies of the books. Even those who did have illegal copies, dumped them and PAID for the legal copies.

We want to pay, we don't want to steal. We want to be able to read the books on our current and future devices without having to pay for the same content multiple times.

BTW, I'm not totally anti-DRM because I'm not a big re-reader so it doesn't effect me as much but I do understand how it effects others and I'm coming around to support their stance.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:36 PM   #19
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I have found a way to copy and reproduce the Sony PRS 505 with out it costing a thing. I plan on putting these copies out in front of my house for anyone to take who wants one. I mean after all, this won't hurt the Sony's sale of these items In fact it will make Sony more money because I have provided free copies and now no one has to buy one! Get real! your conclusions are invalid because your logic is invalid. I think all you want is a free lunch. Every since I was 10 years old I have been dreaming such a day as this would come. Personal computers, cell phones, and ebooks were just a dream in 1950. I won't let selfish thinking like yours spoil that dream. I believe in socialism up to a point, but when everything is free, what's the point of working? I guess I just don't understand the "ME" generation.
p3aul no offense but you don't actually seem to be reading people's replies. You seem to have no interest in actually responding to the points people are raising.

Yet again no one is saying that everything should be free and that they don't want to pay. We DO want to pay (and indeed we are paying for our ebooks) we just want to ensure that after we've paid for something we can still read it in 5, 10, 20 years time. Just like we can with a paperback or hardback.

When I buy an ebook that's only available in mobi or lit format the only way I can read it on my Sony is by removing the drm. Do you really think I should be prosecuted just for doing that?

I pay for all my books and I resent the implication that I should be prosecuted just for reading on my device of choice or that I'm a pirate just because I still want to read a book I've paid for in 10 years time when publishers eventually settle on just one format.

If you can't debate the actual points being raised and just continue to accuse us of believing that everything should be free (even though no else has even mentioned this!) then this will be my last reply.

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Old 05-19-2009, 08:37 PM   #20
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OK supposing you have a hardback copy John Sandford's latest thriller. Now you are going backpacking in the wilderness and want something expendable to take along.Do you have a choice? Make an illegal paperback(assuming you could) or buy a paperback. Copyright laws say you must buy the paperback. Why? Is it just because the "greedy ole publishers" want more money, or is it just because that's the way capitalism works? You do have a choice. you can buy the paperback and give the author a few cents in royalties or you can choose to do without if you want to obey the law.Try the doing without. It builds character. But I'm missing the point! What you are trying to say is you want to change the law! That very admirable and the democratic way of doing things. Write all the congressmen you know and make your complaints known. It's a slow process but it is the way our forefathers designed it. In the meantime, don't encourage others to break the law! Pay your dime and wait for the laws to be changed. The system works!
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It might be best for your wife to stick with the traditional way of publishing on paper since you feel everyone wants to steal.
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Paul, actually, quite a few people here have been working hard pushing this matter to the government (in America and elsewhere).

Now, I don't condone piracy at all, but I tend to agree with these guys. Especially if you're self publishing, do it DRM free. You'll gain a lot of people's respect. I have several DRM free books and it never enters my mind to share them illegally. I want to support the author. A lot of readers are like that. Yeah, sure, some people will share it illegally, but I doubt that it'll lower sales.

But whatever, it's your wife's book. You guys do what you want. Like others have said before me, this crew hates DRM, so you've pretty much asked the wrong crowd.
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OK supposing you have a hardback copy John Sandford's latest thriller. Now you are going backpacking in the wilderness and want something expendable to take along.Do you have a choice? Make an illegal paperback(assuming you could) or buy a paperback. Copyright laws say you must buy the paperback. Why? Is it just because the "greedy ole publishers" want more money, or is it just because that's the way capitalism works? You do have a choice. you can buy the paperback and give the author a few cents in royalties or you can choose to do without if you want to obey the law.Try the doing without. It builds character. But I'm missing the point! What you are trying to say is you want to change the law! That very admirable and the democratic way of doing things. Write all the congressmen you know and make your complaints known. It's a slow process but it is the way our forefathers designed it. In the meantime, don't encourage others to break the law! Pay your dime and wait for the laws to be changed. The system works!
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Actually forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't format shifting legal in the US? If not in other countries?

I'm sure I've seen it mentioned that it's legal in the US to scan in and ocr a book for your own use. Although I know it IS illegal in other countries.

Regardless even in other countries it's a civil offense and not a criminal one. No government would have any interest in gong after someone format shifting for their own personal use.

Oh and by the way waiting for the law to change doesn't always work. Just look at the black civil rights movements of the 50s or the suffragette movements that helped to give women the right to vote. Sometimes the only way to bring attention to unjust laws and get them changed is to break them.
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Yes, I think you are right, if your philosophy abounds, it would be better. But fortunately, when the government begins to crack down on bittorrents like The piratebay recently, your position will become untenable. You claim you are against piracy but what you advocate is. Just the fact that you are arguing so hard leads me to believe that you condone it even if you don't practice it. You are right about one thing though There will always be piracy, because people will always want something that isn't theirs. Juries and judges will condone it saying well it was the first time he got caught, or he only stole a thousand books, not three thousand.

What are you going to do with all those 1000s of DRMless books you download and copy? You couldn't possibly read them all. So what's left to think? You are going to copy them and give them away is what!

BTW there are already over 27,000 DRMless books on Project Gutenberg. You can download those and copy them to your heart's content, legally too!
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You've made a whole bunch of very insulting assumptions. First of all, I'm over 50, so the 'before you were born' thing is insulting in the highest degree. I've also been involved in ebook publishing, back before very many people were, when Amazon was just a list of titles and ISBN numbers, so yes, I do know something about it.

We're not kids (mostly), we're not thieves, we don't think stealing is good or justifiable. You're using a way of thinking that's been disproved over and over, since the invention of reel-to-reel tape recorders (remember those? I do! Used to have one!)

Most people want to buy the things they use - as other people have posted here, DRM doesn't prevent theft, nor does the absence of DRM *make* people steal. All DRM does is prevent the *purchasers* of the content from using it properly. My first ereader was a Franklin ebookman, which used its own format and .prc. My second one was an iPaq that used .lit. Now I own a Sony that uses .lrf, .lrx, and epub. If I had bought DRM content, I would not be able to read the books I *bought*.

All we're asking from publishers is to treat us with respect, stop treating us as though we're thieves, and give us content we can enjoy and use.

As another user's signature here says: DRM is like saying if you want to read our book, you have to use our glasses.

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Well, I guess your minds made up so I'll stop trying to confuse you with the facts. As I said before, your conclusion about DRMless books being good for the publisher is just mindset, it's not logical. Your concept is like me buying a hardback book; reading it, then taking it back to the dealer and saying "Here is this hHardback book. I'm not giving it back to you but, because I've bought it, now I want the paperback version for free.
Can't you understand *that* bit of logic?
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This thread is starting to feel very trollish.
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Paul, you haven't presented even *one* fact, just a lot of opinion and an extremely insulting attitude. You have put words in people's mouths and then argued against *that*.

The facts have been presented to you - examples given, evidence offered. People have related their experences, going back many years, and you have ignored, insulted, lambasted. Yes, you have acted in an extremely trollish manner.

I sincerely doubt than anyone who's read this thread would pay one penny for your book, your disdain for anyone who disagrees with you in the slightest saying far more about you than about us.

My advice would be to take yourself off.

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Everyone has a right to an opinion. But I would like for someone to comment on this simile. >>Your concept is like me buying a hardback book; reading it, then taking it back to the dealer and saying "Here is this hardback book. I'm not giving it back to you but, because I've bought it, now I want the paperback version for free.<<

Then I'll shut up. Any takers?
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Everyone has a right to an opinion. But I would like for someone to comment on this simile. >>Your concept is like me buying a hardback book; reading it, then taking it back to the dealer and saying "Here is this hardback book. I'm not giving it back to you but, because I've bought it, now I want the paperback version for free.<<

Then I'll shut up. Any takers?
Who's concept is like that? No one has said anything along those lines except you.
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