over 100 books of my kindle library just vaporized

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Gormagon

If you remove the DRM you can just skip this step and visit some obscure female named Anna, who has a very large archive...so I have heard.

Are you conflating removing DRM from purchases to downloading books from a pirate site? A rather interesting look at a warped mind. Please tell us precisely how a vendor not losing money/sales when DRM is removed from a purchased book which is not distributed elsewhere is equivalent to the loss of sales/money when someone downloads a book from a pirate site. Inquiring minds are eager to know.

I would love to see the results of a company attempting to sue a consumer for the losses they sustained from a consumer removing DRM from ebooks for their personal use.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Are you conflating removing DRM from purchases to downloading books from a pirate site? A rather interesting look at a warped mind. Please tell us precisely how a vendor not losing money/sales when DRM is removed from a purchased book which is not distributed elsewhere is equivalent to the loss of sales/money when someone downloads a book from a pirate site. Inquiring minds are eager to know.

I would love to see the results of a company attempting to sue a consumer for the losses they sustained from a consumer removing DRM from ebooks for their personal use.

Well, in this case the OP has already purchased the books. Not that I'd recommend pirating even so, as it's against the MR rules.

Of course pirate sites don't have every book in existence, so the issue may be moot anyway.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Of course pirate sites don't have every book in existence, so the issue may be moot anyway.

A few years before I retired, a students at one of our high schools asked me where I got my ebooks from while complaining that a lot of the ebooks they had obtained looked terrible. It turned out that they had downloaded a couple of SF book torrents and 90% of them looked like crap. There were also a lot of duplicates, misnamed files, files with the wrong extensions and a generous serving of plain garbage files.

My suggestion was that they delete those books and start purchasing books they might want to read, borrowing from the local library for those that the library had available and looking into sites such as Baen's Free Library and Gutenberg.

[Gormagon]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Are you conflating removing DRM from purchases to downloading books from a pirate site?

Depending on where you live removing DRM may not be legal and so may be getting digital files from Anna or someone else like your uncle, neighbour or dog. That's not conflating that's comparing.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by DNSB

A few years before I retired, a students at one of our high schools asked me where I got my ebooks from while complaining that a lot of the ebooks they had obtained looked terrible. It turned out that they had downloaded a couple of SF book torrents and 90% of them looked like crap. There were also a lot of duplicates, misnamed files, files with the wrong extensions and a generous serving of plain garbage files.

My suggestion was that they delete those books and start purchasing books they might want to read, borrowing from the local library for those that the library had available and looking into sites such as Baen's Free Library and Gutenberg.

Yeah. Of course, when you have purchased your books legally and can't read them because Amazon has disabled its apps from downloading them and can't be bothered to transfer your books to a newer format, that's a whole other can of worms. I think piracy might be morally justified in such a case.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Sarmat89 will probably say that such an agreement is illegal and Amazon should remove the books it no longer sells from its customers' accounts.

Good luck with making Amazon do that.

If you buy a book on Amazon and then you download it, you aren't going to know if it's no longer available from Amazon as Amazon does not send out notices that a book you've bought is no longer able to be downloaded. So how is someone going to know when an eBook is no longer available if they've already downloaded it and have it on the device/program they plan to read it with?

When an eBook shop closes yet the eBooks we've bought have been downloaded and the publisher is still in business selling these eBooks. Do we have to delete them and buy them again? I cannot see anyone doing that.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If you buy a book on Amazon and then you download it, you aren't going to know if it's no longer available from Amazon as Amazon does not send out notices that a book you've bought is no longer able to be downloaded. So how is someone going to know when an eBook is no longer available if they've already downloaded it and have it on the device/program they plan to read it with?

I already asked that. Sarmat89 didn't reply. Besides, you can download it even if it's no longer available for sale.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Gormagon

Depending on where you live removing DRM may not be legal and so may be getting digital files from Anna or someone else like your uncle, neighbour or dog. That's not conflating that's comparing.

Even if it is illegal to remove the DRM, I've never once heard of anyone getting prosecuted for removing DRM and not letting the eBooks roam free on the net. And the other thing is the author and publisher gets paid.

If I was to go to a pirate site to get eBooks, the author and publisher don't get paid.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Yeah. Of course, when you have purchased your books legally and can't read them because Amazon has disabled its apps from downloading them and can't be bothered to transfer your books to a newer format, that's a whole other can of worms. I think piracy might be morally justified in such a case.

If you cannot remove the DRM from your eBooks but do not want the DRM, the solution is to find a way to get the eBooks for free without DRM and then go and buy them even though you'll not use the purchased copies.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

I already asked that. Sarmat89 didn't reply. Besides, you can download it even if it's no longer available for sale.

I'm asking about those rare eBooks that are no longer available to download.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm asking about those rare eBooks that are no longer available to download.

To be certain you're not breaking any laws, you'd best delete your books immediately after purchasing.

[Desertway]

It seems to me that purchased books no longer being available to download at some point used to be a bigger problem than it is now. When I last ran though my MYKCD books, I saw quite a few that are no longer available for purchase. I could still send ALL of them to my Kindle. (A broken thumbnail is the clue, then click on the book link and land in nowhereville.)