over 100 books of my kindle library just vaporized

flowoeB · Yesterday, 01:27 PM

hi,

i just got f...ed in the a.. by amazon again.

the old kindle app for win stopped working. the new win11 app on my z13 tablet won't load over 120 of my manga. amazon support told me that there is nothing that can be done because the new software won't support the old drm - the web reader won't display them either...

and they told me to buy a different device to read my books...

the publisher said they can do sh.. either...

wtf?

Sirtel · Yesterday, 01:40 PM

No backups?

flowoeB · Yesterday, 02:35 PM

i hope everybody starts making backups now because it will not take long for amazon to stop let you read your old books on all devices / apps... but they still will sell you those books... so I stop buying on amazon...

Sarmat89 · Yesterday, 03:22 PM

How dare they stop people from stealing the stuff other people gave them to be sold! Preposterous, I say!

Sirtel · Yesterday, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

How dare they stop people from stealing the stuff other people gave them to be sold! Preposterous, I say!

What are you talking about? The OP can't read their legally purchased books anymore.

flowoeB · Yesterday, 04:00 PM

that's the fun part - if i had stolen the books i could read them - i'm the idiot who bought 1k books...

DNSB · Yesterday, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

How dare they stop people from stealing the stuff other people gave them to be sold! Preposterous, I say!

If the OP had 'stolen' or removed DRM from the books, they would still be able to access them. As it is, Amazon is telling them that they can no longer access content they have paid for without purchasing a new device.

I wonder about the thought process that got from:

Quote:

Originally Posted by flowoeB

the old kindle app for win stopped working. the new win11 app on my z13 tablet won't load over 120 of my manga. amazon support told me that there is nothing that can be done because the new software won't support the old drm - the web reader won't display them either...

and they told me to buy a different device to read my books...

the publisher said they can do sh.. either...

to an accusation of theft. Weird and wonderful convolutions there.

Sarmat89 · Yesterday, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNSB

Amazon is telling them that they can no longer access content they have paid for without purchasing a new device.

The platform can upgrade their DRM scheme at any time, they don't have to support old vulnerable schemes forever. It is a duty of the publisher to update their files, not the platform.

DNSB · Yesterday, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

The platform can upgrade their DRM scheme at any time, they don't have to support old vulnerable schemes forever. It is a duty of the publisher to update their files, not the platform.

How does that translate to theft in your mind? Inquiring minds are eager to know.

And yes, I realize that most ebook suppliers do not consider that they have any responsibility to support their older customers. Though most of them have dumped their customers by closing down their ebook divisions.

Since the publishers are not applying the DRM, how is their duty and not Amazon's? After all, Amazon happily displays the "this ebook is sold without DRM" (look at Baen and Tor for instance) and then applies DRM before delivering the book. Most publishers currently supply their ebooks in ePub format which Amazon converts to their proprietary format before selling licenses to the end-suckers end-users

flowoeB · Yesterday, 05:55 PM

i contacted two publishers - both told me that they reached out to amazon but got no usefull response how to fix the problem... would be crazy if both lied to me in the same way. looks like amazon gives a sh..

Sats · Yesterday, 07:25 PM

Try using Android emulator or kndl tool, those books with older formats may still load? Kndl tool is riskier, Android emulator is more annoying. I lost access to about 6 books on Windows, but iirc Android still worked.

Desertway · Yesterday, 07:46 PM

Also, if you have an Android tablet around, you can probably install an older version of the Kindle apk, and then prevent it from updating.

DNSB · Yesterday, 09:30 PM

If you can install Kindle for PC 2.91, you should be able to download some of the books that Kindle for Windows will not download. You can find the installer on quite a few sites. One example is UpToDown.

flowoeB · Yesterday, 10:27 PM

amazon prevents older apps from connecting to an account - so this is a no go. so they force people to update tu the new win app.

android emolation could be worth a try - but why do i have to jump through hoops to read the books that i payed my money for? i own the licence to read them, and they stil sell them on amazon without telling you that you can't read them anymore on your pc...

Sats · Yesterday, 10:52 PM

Ok, I misspelled it. It is kindl, not kndl. Either way, it might work as a downloader, or might bork something, I don't know. Android emulator would work, but getting books off it might be a hassle. The blocked books are usually (but not always) pre-kfx (Mobi).
As to why, well, part of it is DRM, and part appears to be sheer sloth. Some older formats are just not supported well on their React app and they just... did not bother, and blocked them. Pretty sure you can read them in browser? (Did not try, though. ) That would be good enough for Amazon.

Yesterday, 01:27 PM	#1
flowoeB E-Reader Sammler Posts: 157 Karma: 4160 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austria Device: plenty...	over 100 books of my kindle library just vaporized hi, i just got f...ed in the a.. by amazon again. the old kindle app for win stopped working. the new win11 app on my z13 tablet won't load over 120 of my manga. amazon support told me that there is nothing that can be done because the new software won't support the old drm - the web reader won't display them either... and they told me to buy a different device to read my books... the publisher said they can do sh.. either... wtf?

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Sirtel Grand Sorcerer Posts: 15,901 Karma: 251102653 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Estonia Device: Kobo Sage & Libra 2	No backups?

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flowoeB E-Reader Sammler Posts: 157 Karma: 4160 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austria Device: plenty...	i hope everybody starts making backups now because it will not take long for amazon to stop let you read your old books on all devices / apps... but they still will sell you those books... so I stop buying on amazon...

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Sarmat89 Fanatic Posts: 555 Karma: 2268308 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: none	How dare they stop people from stealing the stuff other people gave them to be sold! Preposterous, I say!

Yesterday, 04:00 PM	#6
flowoeB E-Reader Sammler Posts: 157 Karma: 4160 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austria Device: plenty...	that's the fun part - if i had stolen the books i could read them - i'm the idiot who bought 1k books...

Yesterday, 05:55 PM	#10
flowoeB E-Reader Sammler Posts: 157 Karma: 4160 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austria Device: plenty...	i contacted two publishers - both told me that they reached out to amazon but got no usefull response how to fix the problem... would be crazy if both lied to me in the same way. looks like amazon gives a sh..

Yesterday, 07:25 PM	#11
Sats Connoisseur Posts: 93 Karma: 1876850 Join Date: Jun 2023 Device: iPhone	Try using Android emulator or kndl tool, those books with older formats may still load? Kndl tool is riskier, Android emulator is more annoying. I lost access to about 6 books on Windows, but iirc Android still worked.

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Desertway Evangelist Posts: 436 Karma: 3230804 Join Date: Mar 2010 Device: Oasis 3, K3, Kobo Clara, Likebook P6	Also, if you have an Android tablet around, you can probably install an older version of the Kindle apk, and then prevent it from updating.

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DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 55,627 Karma: 182544312 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	If you can install Kindle for PC 2.91, you should be able to download some of the books that Kindle for Windows will not download. You can find the installer on quite a few sites. One example is UpToDown.

Yesterday, 10:27 PM	#14
flowoeB E-Reader Sammler Posts: 157 Karma: 4160 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austria Device: plenty...	amazon prevents older apps from connecting to an account - so this is a no go. so they force people to update tu the new win app. android emolation could be worth a try - but why do i have to jump through hoops to read the books that i payed my money for? i own the licence to read them, and they stil sell them on amazon without telling you that you can't read them anymore on your pc...

Yesterday, 10:52 PM	#15
Sats Connoisseur Posts: 93 Karma: 1876850 Join Date: Jun 2023 Device: iPhone	Ok, I misspelled it. It is kindl, not kndl. Either way, it might work as a downloader, or might bork something, I don't know. Android emulator would work, but getting books off it might be a hassle. The blocked books are usually (but not always) pre-kfx (Mobi). As to why, well, part of it is DRM, and part appears to be sheer sloth. Some older formats are just not supported well on their React app and they just... did not bother, and blocked them. Pretty sure you can read them in browser? (Did not try, though. ) That would be good enough for Amazon.