Kobo Buttons and device design

[Apollyon202]

Originally Posted by PeterT

...unfortunately I had included a generic device design statement which includes screen type.

Okay, so is it actually that big of a deal that I was “whining” about Kaleido 4 here in this thread, which was originally meant to discuss just button designs on a Kobo? Isn’t it, in fact, easier to just include generic device design here as well than to have us “whining” about the same thing in other threads? Or should we create another thread for this, and/or pin a message under the main Kobo thread saying to stop the whining about colour screens and the lack of BW devices?
Just for the record, with my “whining” I also intended (in some way) to prevent a new thread about this from being created, and to let off some steam here in this thread, as the first post also suggest, instead of polluting other threads with the same topic(s) over and over again.
Should I say sorry about brining up K4 vs BW here to make you feel better, because I did a wrong thing, and/or should I/we just keep my/our opinion about this topic out of mobileread forever from now on?

[nana77]

I'd bought that Moodi, can confirm it doesn't works on my Kobo nor Pocketbook (I haven't bought it for those, but tried anyway); apart that the feel is "rubber like" but actually is a good plastic, I love it.

Having it set for the tablet, on KoReader I use it on scroll mode for the comics (having set KoReader within continuos pages, no inertia, and actuation on release, so it seems it advances half the lenght it would have had normally instead - I generally use the tablet on portrait).

The device claims to work within Android devices (as for the turn page mode), I haven't tried its app.

[pepperminttree]

In my experience, Kobo's buttons are surprisingly good and much better/more consistent than Pocketbook's at least (though less than Kindle's older button devices).

I've had my KLC for almost 2 years and they feel looser, but that's expected. On the whole, I actually do not like having buttons in principle as much as I thought I would and I prefer touchscreen taps or swipes. The latter is more immersive to me because it mimics real page turns better, and I also do not like the additional mechanical wear it brings.

[pepperminttree]

Originally Posted by Apollyon202

So Amazon just came out with a very cool idea recently: page turn buttons on the ereader cover!

Just as they did with Kobo's page turn remote and made it better, other brands could also implement a page turn cover with a pogo connector, so they don't necessarily have to manufacture several types of the same device. I'm happy with the Libra 2's form factor, but the general idea is very welcome.

I really like this as concept because the buttons would be external and not wear on the actual device itself. Pricing is totally ridiculous though.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by pepperminttree

I really like this as concept because the buttons would be external and not wear on the actual device itself. Pricing is totally ridiculous though.

I've never had buttons wear out on any of my ereaders and I've had many devices with buttons. My current Kobos are 5 years old, used daily. No wear whatsoever, buttons are still as good as new.

[pepperminttree]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

I've never had buttons wear out on any of my ereaders and I've had many devices with buttons. My current Kobos are 5 years old, used daily. No wear whatsoever, buttons are still as good as new.

I've had mine for almost 2 years and there is a subtle but discernible difference from regular use It's just the nature of a moving mechanical component on a device. If the battery doesn't degrade first, it would be that.

At least for most modern e-readers (or phones, tablets, etc) a magnetic sleep case can negate using the power button to that extent. So the page turn buttons tend to be especially problematic in that regard with how much you press on them in a given session.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by pepperminttree

I've had mine for almost 2 years and there is a subtle but discernible difference from regular use It's just the nature of a moving mechanical component on a device. If the battery doesn't degrade first, it would be that.

At least for most modern e-readers (or phones, tablets, etc) a magnetic sleep case can negate using the power button to that extent. So the page turn buttons tend to be especially problematic in that regard with how much you press on them in a given session.

Well, that's not my experience. I've had 10 ereaders with physical buttons over 15 years, several of them being in use for years, my last two Kobos for 5 years. I don't use cases. None of them ever had their buttons (power or page turn) noticeably wear. But then I'm gentle with my devices.

[pepperminttree]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Well, that's not my experience. I've had 10 ereaders with physical buttons over 15 years, several of them being in use for years, my last two Kobos for 5 years. I don't use cases. None of them ever had their buttons (power or page turn) noticeably wear. But then I'm gentle with my devices.

That's good to hear!

[nana77]

Originally Posted by nana77

I'd bought that Moodi, can confirm it doesn't works on my Kobo nor Pocketbook (I haven't bought it for those, but tried anyway); apart that the feel is "rubber like" but actually is a good plastic, I love it.

Having it set for the tablet, on KoReader I use it on scroll mode for the comics (having set KoReader within continuos pages, no inertia, and actuation on release, so it seems it advances half the lenght it would have had normally instead - I generally use the tablet on portrait).

The device claims to work within Android devices (as for the turn page mode), I haven't tried its app.

[Still might not be the bestest forum section for the general topic, but] I'd tried again and have an "errata corrige" for the PocketBook Inkpad Color 3, on which the DuRoBo Moodi effectively works (note: the Kobo Forma doesn't has bluetooth, btw).
The Bluethoot sees the device and connects, what's not on defaults are the settings: it needs to go under Settings - Personalize - Key Mapping - (Epub..., and/or PDF) - Bluetooth buttons. In there, while selecting "Add Button" it will ask to press the desired ones; as the Moodi has three configurations that switch while holding the two buttons toghether for some seconds, it depends on which mode the device is: on media it will show as "Volume Up", "Volume Down", onto the other two modes it will show as number "165", "163"; but those are just the names the device is being seen: it's possible to change them, then, and more important to configure them.
I'd just set to page next and previous page; and it works fine.
So there are three possible configurations, and two behaviours as Pocketbook sets it differently for PDFs and EPubs.