How to store two books w same author and title in different languages?

[marp68]

I noticed a thing today. I have a book with the same title by the same author but in different languages, Swedish and English. But when I transferred them, only one showed up. When I then transferred the other again, the first disappeared from the reader in Calibre and on the reader, when I opened it. It turned out that I had to change the book tilte. First I forgot to copy the new name to the Title Sort, and when transferring them again, it didn't work. When noticing my mistake I changed the Title Sort accordingly, and then it worked. Both Swedish and English version now showed up on the reader.

Since I don't like to have an incorrect title for one of them, is there another way to solve this? Does Calibre not also read from the other fields and see that they are two different books, even with the same title and author?

Language: English
Language: Swedish

Tags: Adventure, Adventure - EN
Tags: Adventure, Adventure - SE

My Shelves: Adventure - EN
My Shelves: Adventure - SE

[DNSB]

I don't read many non-English ebooks but one acquaintance of mine enjoys reading translations. What he did was to take my Send to device template and add - {languages} to it so the ebook language is added to the filename of the saved to device copy.

My template is:

Ebooks/{author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)}/{title} - {authors:sublist(0,1,&)}

while their template is:

Ebooks/{author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)}/{title} - {languages} - {authors:sublist(0,1,&)}

The :sublist(0,1,&) forces the use of the first entry in the author/author sort list to keep file paths shorter. I've attached an image showing the path/filename from the template tester. In theory, the {languages} item can return multiple values so a :sublist(0,1,&) might be needed there as well. This does depend on the book language being correctly specified.

[marp68]

Originally Posted by DNSB

I don't read many non-English ebooks but one acquaintance of mine enjoys reading translations. What he did was to take my Send to device template and add - {languages} to it so the ebook language is added to the filename of the saved to device copy.

My template is:

Ebooks/{author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)}/{title} - {authors:sublist(0,1,&)}

while their template is:

Ebooks/{author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)}/{title} - {languages} - {authors:sublist(0,1,&)}

The :sublist(0,1,&) forces the use of the first entry in the author/author sort list to keep file paths shorter. I've attached an image showing the path/filename from the template tester. In theory, the {languages} item can return multiple values so a :sublist(0,1,&) might be needed there as well. This does depend on the book language being correctly specified.

Thanks!
Where do you do this? I only find the Template functions, which looks slightly similar. Should I have the existing template visible and change in it? Could you perhaps describe it more, thanks. Do I need to have the reader connected? Will this apply to all new added books, having the same name or not?

[slm]

When this happened to me, I just used Calibre's metadata editor to add the language each as
Pour ne pas disparaître--In English
Pour ne pas disparaître-French

Low tech, but it seemed to work

[marp68]

Originally Posted by slm

When this happened to me, I just used Calibre's metadata editor to add the language each as
Pour ne pas disparaître--In English
Pour ne pas disparaître-French

Low tech, but it seemed to work

Yes, that's what I did to. Just thought there was another more permanent and elegant solution.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by marp68

Thanks!
Where do you do this? I only find the Template functions, which looks slightly similar. Should I have the existing template visible and change in it? Could you perhaps describe it more, thanks. Do I need to have the reader connected? Will this apply to all new added books, having the same name or not?

If you have KoboUtilities installed, you can open the KoboTouch driver configuration from there. Otherwise, Preferences => Plugins and search for KoboTouch. See the attached image.

[marp68]

Originally Posted by DNSB

If you have KoboUtilities installed, you can open the KoboTouch driver configuration from there. Otherwise, Preferences => Plugins and search for KoboTouch. See the attached image.

Thanks!
So I just edit the template text shown in the image?

[DNSB]

That would do it yes.

To break down the template a bit more:

Ebooks/{author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)}/{title} - {languages} - {authors:sublist(0,1,&)}

The Ebooks at the start of the string just keeps the book files from being stored in the root directory since that has limited directory storage and with long file names taking up multiple entries, you can easily run out of directory entries before disk space. Subdirectories can extend the directory storage so that is not an issue.

The {author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)} entry stores the book files in subdirectories under Ebooks based on the first entry in the author sort list. The :sublist(0,1,&) is what restricts it to the first entry. This is based on trying to keep the total filepath/filename entries as short as possible since calibre will start truncating to fit if they get too long.

The {title} entry is calibre's title string used as the first part of the filename. I do not include subtitles or "A Novel" or etc. in the title.

The {authors:sublist(0,1,&)} uses the first entry in the author list as part of the filename. Again this is more to keep the total filename/filepath below calibre's clipping threshold.

For your purposes, the {languages} item will add the 3 character language name to the filename. If the book has more than 1 language declared, you might want to add the :sublist(0,1,&) there as well to keep the first language.

Good luck!

[marp68]

Originally Posted by DNSB

If you have KoboUtilities installed, you can open the KoboTouch driver configuration from there. Otherwise, Preferences => Plugins and search for KoboTouch. See the attached image.

Btw, I have Kobo Clara HD
EDIT: I found it, and it says Configure Clara HD.

[marp68]

Originally Posted by DNSB

That would do it yes.

To break down the template a bit more:

Ebooks/{author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)}/{title} - {languages} - {authors:sublist(0,1,&)}

The Ebooks at the start of the string just keeps the book files from being stored in the root directory since that has limited directory storage and with long file names taking up multiple entries, you can easily run out of directory entries before disk space. Subdirectories can extend the directory storage so that is not an issue.

The {author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)} entry stores the book files in subdirectories under Ebooks based on the first entry in the author sort list. The :sublist(0,1,&) is what restricts it to the first entry. This is based on trying to keep the total filepath/filename entries as short as possible since calibre will start truncating to fit if they get too long.

The {title} entry is calibre's title string used as the first part of the filename. I do not include subtitles or "A Novel" or etc. in the title.

The {authors:sublist(0,1,&)} uses the first entry in the author list as part of the filename. Again this is more to keep the total filename/filepath below calibre's clipping threshold.

For your purposes, the {languages} item will add the 3 character language name to the filename. If the book has more than 1 language declared, you might want to add the :sublist(0,1,&) there as well to keep the first language.

Good luck!

Thanks! I found the way, but the existing template doesn't look the same. What is best to do, insert only {languages} in my existing template or copy yours completely, with the inserted {languages} your way?

My template looks like this: ebooks/{author_sort}/{authors} - {title}

Where would I put {languages} in my template?

Like this?: ebooks/{author_sort}/{authors} - {languages} - {title}

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by marp68

Thanks! I found the way, but the existing template doesn't look the same. What is best to do, insert only {languages} in my existing template or copy yours completely, with the inserted {languages} your way?

My template looks like this: ebooks/{author_sort}/{authors} - {title}

Where would I put {languages} in my template?

Like this?: ebooks/{author_sort}/{authors} - {languages} - {title}

I would suggest using the following just to keep filenames and paths as short as possible.

ebooks/{author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)}/{authors:sublist(0,1,&)} - {languages} - {title}

[marp68]

Originally Posted by DNSB

I would suggest using the following just to keep filenames and paths as short as possible.

ebooks/{author_sort:sublist(0,1,&)}/{authors:sublist(0,1,&)} - {languages} - {title}

Okay great. What will happen with the existing organised books on the reader? Will this apply to only new or change everything, already stored books on the reader? And will this effect how the books, also all books, are organised in Calibre library? Calibre didn't complain then importing the same book but in another language. Is perhaps this why the reader also treats it like the same book? If it would have been organised differently in Calibre, maybe the reader would treat it as two different books.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by marp68

Okay great. What will happen with the existing organised books on the reader? Will this apply to only new or change everything, already stored books on the reader? And will this effect how the books, also all books, are organised in Calibre library? Calibre didn't complain then importing the same book but in another language. Is perhaps this why the reader also treats it like the same book? If it would have been organised differently in Calibre, maybe the reader would treat it as two different books.

This will have no effect on books currently on the ereader nor on how the books are organized in calibre. The changes to the filename is made in the Send to Device process. calibre will allow you to have two books with the same author/title/etc. The only complaint from calibre is when importing a book that has the same title as an existing book.