What can invisibly cause a pagebreak?

[Siavahda]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

And you are wrong. The length of the chapter has nothing to do with pagebreaks. So put the chapter back as one.

Have you used to code I posted?

I am not putting the chapter back as one, when splitting the chapter fixed the problem.

I did not use the code you posted because this is not a widows/orphans issue, as I've explained. All widows/orphans rules have been removed from the book, and my Kobo is set to widows: 1 and orphans: 1. Plus, changing the font size did not change the location of the pagebreak, which others have said proves it's not a widows/orphans problem.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Siavahda

...Then why did you mention it when the problem I posted about was pagebreaks?

Because with the code I posted, centers could become no longer centered. The p class has a text-indent where as most p do not because the publishers do not know how to make simple code.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Siavahda

I am not putting the chapter back as one, when splitting the chapter fixed the problem.

I did not use the code you posted because this is not a widows/orphans issue, as I've explained. All widows/orphans rules have been removed from the book, and my Kobo is set to widows: 1 and orphans: 1. Plus, changing the font size did not change the location of the pagebreak, which others have said proves it's not a widows/orphans problem.

Your split chapter is not fixing the problem because that wasn't the problem.

Put the chapter back as one chapter and then use the Scramble eBook plugin. Post the scrambled eBook. Tell us where you see the pagebreak so we can have a look at it.

[Siavahda]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Because with the code I posted, centers could become no longer centered. The p class has a text-indent where as most p do not because the publishers do not know how to make simple code.

Ah, I see! Thank you for explaining, and also for mentioning it, then.

[Jellby]

The length of a chapter (or actually an individual file within en epub) can be an issue with some readers. They may choke and fail to open the book/chapter at all, or cut the chapter short at some arbitrary point, or, as seems to be the case here, introduce additional pagebreaks to avoid having to paginate too much content at once. That's why many ebook creators will warn you if you have too large files.

An alternative solution is using a different reader. KOReader can deal with huge chapters (essentially the whole 500-page book in a single chapter) with no problems I could see.

[Siavahda]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Your split chapter is not fixing the problem because that wasn't the problem.

Put the chapter back as one chapter and then use the Scramble eBook plugin. Post the scrambled eBook. Tell us where you see the pagebreak so we can have a look at it.

Like I said before, I have no idea how to find the pagebreak again once the text is scrambled. At the moment I'm doing it by searching for the sentences before the break, on my Kobo and on the various editors I'm trying. Obviously that won't work once the text is scrambled.

If you want me to put the scrambled book on my Kobo and go page by page, that's going to take a while because this is a 600+ page book in hardback. And even if I find the pagebreak, I don't know how to turn that into a location I can share with you or anyone else. I don't think finding it on the Kobo will let me work out which line it is in the html file for that chapter.

I'm very happy to keep trying things to figure out what is/was causing the pagebreak to appear. I'd really like to know what it was so I can avoid it in future. But I don't know how to scramble the file and then show you where the pagebreak is.

[JSWolf]

With the scrambled ePub, you can't search for any words. They are all scrambled.

Try the following...With all the paragraphs as one complete file, load the unscrambled ePub into the calibre editor, click the toolbar button that looks like a bug. That's check book. That will tell you if any of the HTML file are too large.

[Siavahda]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

With the scrambled ePub, you can't search for any words. They are all scrambled.

Try the following...With all the paragraphs as one complete file, load the unscrambled ePub into the calibre editor, click the toolbar button that looks like a bug. That's check book. That will tell you if any of the HTML file are too large.

I know you can't search for words in a scrambled epub. That was literally what I was saying re why I couldn't do that.

Ran a bugcheck, it didn't mark any files as being too big. But I'd like to point out that the Calibre Viewer doesn't display the pagebreak at all; only Adobe Digital Editions and my Kobo. To me that means the problem might be one Calibre doesn't notice/think is an issue.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Siavahda

I know you can't search for words in a scrambled epub. That was literally what I was saying re why I couldn't do that.

Ran a bugcheck, it didn't mark any files as being too big. But I'd like to point out that the Calibre Viewer doesn't display the pagebreak at all; only Adobe Digital Editions and my Kobo. To me that means the problem might be one Calibre doesn't notice/think is an issue.

When calibre doesn't show any of the HTML files as too large, it means the size of those files is not the issue.

What happens if you take out all of the HTML files except the one that gives you this pagebreak? Do you still see it?

[Siavahda]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

When calibre doesn't show any of the HTML files as too large, it means the size of those files is not the issue.

What happens if you take out all of the HTML files except the one that gives you this pagebreak? Do you still see it?

Yes, the pagebreak is still there, in the exact same place as before.

[Siavahda]

Originally Posted by Jellby

The length of a chapter (or actually an individual file within en epub) can be an issue with some readers. They may choke and fail to open the book/chapter at all, or cut the chapter short at some arbitrary point, or, as seems to be the case here, introduce additional pagebreaks to avoid having to paginate too much content at once. That's why many ebook creators will warn you if you have too large files.

An alternative solution is using a different reader. KOReader can deal with huge chapters (essentially the whole 500-page book in a single chapter) with no problems I could see.

Thank you for explaining! I'd never seen this mentioned anywhere before. I don't use KOReader so this is just going to have to be something I watch for in future.

Is there a ballpark of what kind of file size is too large? This one is 234.5 KB, which is more than twice the size of any of the other chapter files.

[Turtle91]

Checkout this thread… especially post #10… I think that might apply here.

[Siavahda]

Originally Posted by Turtle91

Checkout this thread… especially post #10… I think that might apply here.

Yep, given that the file that had the pagebreak was 234.5 KB, I suspect this was the problem!

[JSWolf]

I tried with a retail copy of this eBook. It still breaks at the same place in chapter 3. I know the code is clean and as small as possible. This is using RMSDK. I also sent it as KePub and no problem.

So combine chapter 3 into one and send it as KePub.

[Siavahda]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I tried with a retail copy of this eBook. It still breaks at the same place in chapter 3. I know the code is clean and as small as possible. This is using RMSDK. I also sent it as KePub and no problem.

So combine chapter 3 into one and send it as KePub.

I'm not going to do that. I don't use KEPUB because of the formatting issues.

But this DOES mean that the issue was the file size of the chapter, then?